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Just How Dead, is D & D 4th Edition?

Started by Razor 007, September 03, 2019, 11:52:35 PM

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Armchair Gamer

#15
September 04, 2019, 08:58:35 AM
Quote from: Melan;1102253It is still around, more or less on the level of a second-tier game. It is a fairly good game for people who want a crunchy, solid tactical game. What disappeared, however, is the loud and obnoxious fanbase, who mostly seem to have just confessed to actually hating D&D, and hitching their fortunes to Dungeon World, Monsterhearts, and other genderqueer dating sims.

  Hey now! I liked 4E at first and after coming back to it due to fan enthusiasm and some enjoyable Encounters play in the summer of 2010, have realized I don't like D&D (that is, "high-lethality sword & sorcery heist play soaked through with nihilism and dusted with Satanism,") and I have no time for DW, Monsterhearts, or genderqueer dating sims. I'm leaning more towards Savage Worlds. :D

Steven Mitchell

#16
September 04, 2019, 09:38:37 AM
I won't say that it's impossible that I'll ever run it again, but it's highly unlikely.  Practically speaking, only games in my top 4 or 5 get played with the limited time I have.  There's a lot of games that sit in the 6-20 spots that I'm not going to write off completely, but I have no illusions about the chances they get brought out.  In the next decade, I'll probably run one game from those spots.

Chris24601

#17
September 04, 2019, 10:07:48 AM
My groups are in a weird spot in relation to this. We really enjoy 4E, but play switched entirely over to the spiritual successor I've been writing once the main mechanics were nailed down.

So... Reincarnated?

Opaopajr

#18
September 04, 2019, 10:08:30 AM
Well, we can let the Roman legions with extra tonnage of salt have a rest break then. :D But do let them know where a spot was missed when you find it! :p
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crkrueger

#19
September 04, 2019, 10:21:28 AM
I think a lot of 4e peeps migrated to 13th Age.
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Itachi

#20
September 04, 2019, 11:18:43 AM
Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1102259Hey now! I liked 4E at first and after coming back to it due to fan enthusiasm and some enjoyable Encounters play in the summer of 2010, have realized I don't like D&D (that is, "high-lethality sword & sorcery heist play soaked through with nihilism and dusted with Satanism,") and I have no time for DW, Monsterhearts, or genderqueer dating sims. I'm leaning more towards Savage Worlds. :D
And I play Monsterhearts but I'm not queer nor looking to sim dates. :)

Rhedyn

#21
September 04, 2019, 11:35:25 AM
I'm in a 4e campaign right now.

Haffrung

#22
September 04, 2019, 11:52:09 AM
It's funny how D&D 4E is dead, but TSR-era D&D, OSR systems, and independent games with smaller player bases are thriving. Edition-wars tribalism is the best kind of tribalism.

I have a complete set of Essentials-era 4E books and box sets on my shelves, along with a handful of adventures. I have no doubt I'll take it down and run a campaign at some point when I'm bored with other D&D systems and want something different and easy to run.
 

Armchair Gamer

#23
September 04, 2019, 11:56:52 AM
Quote from: Haffrung;1102281It's funny how D&D 4E is dead, but TSR-era D&D, OSR systems, and independent games with smaller player bases are thriving. Edition-wars tribalism is the best kind of tribalism.

  Don't forget, 4E fans are bitterly clinging to a dead and obsolete system, while OS fans are appreciating the neglected strengths of unfairly disregarded games. :)

Chris24601

#24
September 04, 2019, 12:18:18 PM
Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1102284Don't forget, 4E fans are bitterly clinging to a dead and obsolete system, while OS fans are appreciating the neglected strengths of unfairly disregarded games. :)
Yes, and let's definitely NOT mention that 4E is beating out every OSR-based game on that Roll20 list and almost beats them all combined (4E is at 0.38%, both editions of AD&D combined are 0.29%, Original D&D is 0.07%, Lamentations of the Flame Princess is 0.03%, Basic D&D 0.02%, ACKS 0.01%, Labyrinth Lord 0.01%) provided earlier in the thread.

If 4E is dead, then so is pretty much the entire OSR movement.

Mad Tom

#25
September 04, 2019, 12:40:00 PM
It looks like the 4E PDFs also got a bump on DM's Guild after Matt Colville did his video about swiping features from 4E to use in 5E. At the least the 4E Monster Manual always seems to be in the top 10 for classic D&D titles.

Razor 007

#26
September 04, 2019, 01:11:18 PM
Quote from: Chris24601;1102266My groups are in a weird spot in relation to this. We really enjoy 4E, but play switched entirely over to the spiritual successor I've been writing once the main mechanics were nailed down.

So... Reincarnated?


Hey, that's cool man.  Rock on.
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Ratman_tf

#27
September 04, 2019, 01:40:09 PM
in 20 years, will there be an OSR focusing on 4th edition? :)
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Haffrung

#28
September 04, 2019, 01:57:10 PM Last Edit: September 04, 2019, 02:00:35 PM by Haffrung
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1102307in 20 years, will there be an OSR focusing on 4th edition? :)

I doubt it. The format doesn't lend itself to amateur revamps, and I have a tough time seeing independent publishers supporting 4E material.

However, I expect once the resentment of 4E fades to memory, the game will develop a cult following among gamers who weren't participants in the Edition Wars. Books/boxes will go for a mint on the secondary market - the Essentials DM's Kit and Monster Vault are already expensive.
 

Doom

#29
September 04, 2019, 02:03:17 PM
Quote from: Chris24601;1102288Yes, and let's definitely NOT mention that 4E is beating out every OSR-based game on that Roll20 list and almost beats them all combined (4E is at 0.38%, both editions of AD&D combined are 0.29%, Original D&D is 0.07%, Lamentations of the Flame Princess is 0.03%, Basic D&D 0.02%, ACKS 0.01%, Labyrinth Lord 0.01%) provided earlier in the thread.

If 4E is dead, then so is pretty much the entire OSR movement.

To be fair, OSR people might not use the internets as much as most. Also, "OSR" covers a family of games, as opposed to a single game.

And just because the game is listed, doesn't mean people are necessarily showing up to play much, or with as many people. All that said, it's clear some folks are still playing 4e, and it is a fun system at level 4 or lower if you stick to only the first 10 or so books, I give it that.
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