Quote from: rocksfalleverybodydies;1095455Hey all.
Very, very long-time lurker here.
I do enjoy a lot of the posts and discussions on therpgsite and admire the stance taken here on free-thought and discussion.

Welcome to the site!

Quote from: jeff37923;1095488I'm with you. I have no clue why this is important.

It is either a very important lesson about covering your ass better if you insist on being a colossal asshole online, or a terrifying lesson that you can get your shit messed up on a whim anymore.

Saw this.

When ___ said "Don't be a Dick" it triggered the Dix.

It's everywhere. Move on.

I'd agree with that assessment Thornhammer.  Either way it's a messy situation.
The site was so over the top I could almost imagine the spittle hitting the keyboard with every word typed.  I think whoever wrote the blog made some very salient points about the amount of content (or lack thereof) people need to throw together for an RPG OSR these days as long as they market the heck out of it.  I guess that rule of success is now more prevalent than ever in all walks of life.

There doesn't seem to be much in the way of the social middle-ground anymore and the pendulum swings to the extremes are the norm and have filtered into our past-times.  The hobby is so fragmented, once one drops below the 5E elephant in the room to see what else is available it's an endless stream of systems:  A new player would have great difficulty even knowing where to start disseminating the huge volume of RPG's out there.  It's almost too much in a way.  When I started, you chose Runequest, Rolemaster or DnD and that was good enough for a fantasy campaign.  Now I find myself browsing the endless RPG lists on drive-thru more than just playing to make sure someone didn't invent a better wheel while I wasn't looking.  Heh.

Anyway, thanks for the welcome.  I figured this was a more interesting first post than inquiring about proven solutions that work for fixing thief skills again (which I fully intend on harping on about 'cause I'm never happy with them).

Quote from: tenbones;1095481So it's just some guy saying "edgy" stuff and he's OSR developer, so he's fair-game (i.e. he's not WotC or a big company - so he's an easy target). And the outrage brigade struck?
?

I looked at his publisher page and nothing appears to be OSR.  Dungeon World, 5e, and his own game "Dungeons & Delvers" (which somehow evaded trademark problems) which doesn't seem very old school D&D ish.

Quote from: rocksfalleverybodydies;1095516I'd agree with that assessment Thornhammer.  Either way it's a messy situation.
The site was so over the top I could almost imagine the spittle hitting the keyboard with every word typed.  I think whoever wrote the blog made some very salient points about the amount of content (or lack thereof) people need to throw together for an RPG OSR these days as long as they market the heck out of it.  I guess that rule of success is now more prevalent than ever in all walks of life.

There doesn't seem to be much in the way of the social middle-ground anymore and the pendulum swings to the extremes are the norm and have filtered into our past-times.  The hobby is so fragmented, once one drops below the 5E elephant in the room to see what else is available it's an endless stream of systems:  A new player would have great difficulty even knowing where to start disseminating the huge volume of RPG's out there.  It's almost too much in a way.  When I started, you chose Runequest, Rolemaster or DnD and that was good enough for a fantasy campaign.  Now I find myself browsing the endless RPG lists on drive-thru more than just playing to make sure someone didn't invent a better wheel while I wasn't looking.  Heh.

Anyway, thanks for the welcome.  I figured this was a more interesting first post than inquiring about proven solutions that work for fixing thief skills again (which I fully intend on harping on about 'cause I'm never happy with them).

Controversial Opinion: I don't believe there is an RPG industry.

I believe RPGs are a niche hobby that some people work full time in because the economy supports full-time hobbyist now. I consider any full-time RPG developer to be a professional.

There is one big RPG product and I think more same-branded boardgames have been made for it than actual books.

There are endless RPGs now because the bar of acceptable quality is far more attainable than in actual industries and many creators make an RPG with no intent to make money.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1095501I'm disappointed either way. If David Guyll is NOT the guy who did YRIS, then I'm disappointed with the whoever did it for basically trying to frame him for it.
If he DID do it, I'm super-disappointed by this attempt to lie, instead of going "yeah, fuck it, I'm Iron Man" and going for it.

Exactly. It's a shit sandwich either way now.

Quote from: Thornhammer;1095507It is either a very important lesson about covering your ass better if you insist on being a colossal asshole online, or a terrifying lesson that you can get your shit messed up on a whim anymore.

Agreed. It also MIGHT be a lesson in that if you're unmasked, the correct answer is double down and flamethrow the assholes. Clearly, whoever writes YRIS knows how to throw down some A grade crazy bombs and seeing that go mano-a-SJW would have been very fun and earned the author new fans.

Quote from: JeremyR;1095529I looked at his publisher page and nothing appears to be OSR.  Dungeon World, 5e, and his own game "Dungeons & Delvers" (which somehow evaded trademark problems) which doesn't seem very old school D&D ish.

   Which is one of the main reasons for my skepticism: I don't buy that someone who expresses that much vitriol towards PbtA games would also be responsible for several hundred pages of Dungeon World content.

   The Desborough interview laid out a pretty solid defense. The one thing I'd like to see David address is the claim that the site has been traced back to his hometown, but even that admits of explanation. The most likely explanation, it seems to me, is that a friend of a friend got hold of the screenshot. (The claims that this bit of evidence are 'conclusive' because it's a 'small town' of 38,000 people suggests to me that many leading this are extremely urbanized to the point where they can't comprehend than anything smaller than a major metropolitan area can still have a broad and diverse array of people.)

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1095549...the claim that the site has been traced back to his hometown

So, I've seen this in a couple of places but haven't cared enough till now to dig deeper on it. What, exactly, does "hometown" mean in this context? Because if you tell me both the writer and the website both come from, say Atlanta or any other major city - where they tend to, you know, build data centers and have web hosting companies - then I'd say that's the thinnest fucking "evidence" I've literally ever come across for any kind of accusation, ever and the people who've latched onto it need to be summarily shot for the sheer stupidity of the thing. Hell, even a great many smaller cities leave you with a shockingly high chance for this kind of "coincidence". And I'm not talking about the small towns you find as part of a larger metropolitan area, either. I'm talking about proper towns that happen to be places where companies set up shop precisely because setting up in someplace like Atlanta is such a fucking nightmare.

Anyway, sorry for the ranty post. I'm not actually going to bother looking at where this guy and the website actually come from because I don't actually care. I'm more bothered by the idea of the mob mentality latching onto, "kill him! he's from the same place as this really offensive website!"

Hmm. So this fellow gets accused of being the same that makes alot of offensive articles. Gets sloppy and traced. Then claims that is was really honest to god swear on my undead mothers grave that just by coincidence there is a server in the same town and obviously the mean article maker person is someone else! Really!

This isn't new. Ive seen these sorts of two-faced stunts far far more times than I ever want to see. Some pulling far far worse stunts. And hilariously at least 75% of the time it comes back to bite these jackasses in the ass as the very hate groups they were rabble rousing sooner or later target their pure and just cover because its never pure enough. Or someone figures out who is behind the mask.

Publishers, game designers, artists, etc.

That deflection is a big, smelly pile of...

...yup. That's right!

This wouldn't even be an issue if he simply owned his own work. There's nothing weird about harsh/caustic/mean spirited criticism. There's an entire medium of actual attack dog critiques, mainly for video games, on Youtube for example. I guess there could be stuff that he might have felt more comfortable writing about in anonymity but my opinion is if you aren't willing to own your opinion proudly then don't bother. I'll take an honest asshole over a sneaky one any day of the week.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1095549Which is one of the main reasons for my skepticism: I don't buy that someone who expresses that much vitriol towards PbtA games would also be responsible for several hundred pages of Dungeon World content.

   The Desborough interview laid out a pretty solid defense. The one thing I'd like to see David address is the claim that the site has been traced back to his hometown, but even that admits of explanation. The most likely explanation, it seems to me, is that a friend of a friend got hold of the screenshot. (The claims that this bit of evidence are 'conclusive' because it's a 'small town' of 38,000 people suggests to me that many leading this are extremely urbanized to the point where they can't comprehend than anything smaller than a major metropolitan area can still have a broad and diverse array of people.)

His own self loathing could explain his desire for anonymity. It's the same phenomenon with fundamentalist ministers who preach hellfire for "the gays" then turns out they're chasing firemen behind the curtains.

As for the hometown size: if there's one gamer in a community, even a smallish one, then there are more. So yeah, it's not really a smoking gun...just evidence of smoke in the distance.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1095536Exactly. It's a shit sandwich either way now.




Agreed. It also MIGHT be a lesson in that if you're unmasked, the correct answer is double down and flamethrow the assholes. Clearly, whoever writes YRIS knows how to throw down some A grade crazy bombs and seeing that go mano-a-SJW would have been very fun and earned the author new fans.

Yeah I'm annoyed I never knew about this blog before and now I can't figure out what it was all about because this quasi-doxxing is my first encounter with it's existence. I'd love to see some crazy attack posts on PbtA style games, I'm intrigued at what would be causing this fellow such angry vitriole...but I can only go by second hand info.

I looked at the archive. I still don't know what the big deal is? Why not own it? There wasn't anything there I haven't seen posted here in some sentiment. Did he not think this wasn't going to happen? People are weird.