Was this some kind of comedy performance art game?

"Your characters are raped, nya ha ha ha ha!"

"Dude, what are you, 12 years old?"

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1090172But this, and the subsequent calls on TBP for universal mandatory X cards,

Fucking christ. How about no?  Deal with interpersonal issues like adults, not children who need a hall pass to go to the fucking bathroom.

Quote from: Charon's Little Helper;1090318You do realize that free speech is only in respect to the government - right?

The convention isn't run by the government and has no requirement to allow creepy GMs to do whatever they want to.

You are confusing free speech with the American 1st Amendment. They are not the same thing.

The convention can indeed put restrictions on content. Their venue, their rules. That's why they can restrict speech.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1090321You are confusing free speech with the American 1st Amendment. They are not the same thing.

Technically yes - but when people say "free speech" the implication is the "right to free speech" - which is inherently a right from government, whether or not it's in the US. You can't have a "right" in relation to another private person.

The guy has the right to say creepy stuff, and the con has the right to kick him to the curb for it.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1090186(at least in the civilized world which UK isn't part of anymore).

Thats the problem with the UK. They ban anything that 'might' be dangerous. Or even words that someone somewhere out there might find offensive or... dangerous!

TMNT is a good example. Someone used nunchucks to rob a store? All nunchucks are banned as are depictions of them. Ninjas are scary and use pointy things. Banned. Now its Teenage Mutant HERO Turtles! And so on ad nausium. Someone used a replica Klingon weapon in a riot or somesuch? Banned. Think they even banned pocket knives. The word Dweeb? Banned. (or at least censored). This on top of their 'internet police squad' and surveillance cameras increasingly all over the place. For your safety!

Its allways "for your safety!" or better yet. "for your childrens safety!" just give up one more little tiny freedom here. Oh and one over there, and hey can we implant tracking chips in your kids? For your safety! And you know. Wouldnt it be just jolly if we installed surveillance cameras in your house? for your safety!

And there are people willing to practically sell their kids futures into slavery to keep them "safe".

And this gets applied to games too.

Did you know some people roll dice to gamble? RPGs are banned because they are gambling! A law in effect in a few EU cities as of a decade ago. Its been done in the US too way back in the 80s or 90s.

As for the incident with this game. What REALLY happened? Was some player offended? Did the DM not lay out this stuff before session? If everyone went into this knowing it was going to be a mess then whats the problem? If this was just sprung on them out of the blue then thats on the DM for not being clear before hand. Since it seems to have been at a con then it actually does make sense in a way. But the better option would have been to just ask the DM to tone it down.

I've done alot of horror sessions and allways I lay out beforehand what the limits are and what is and isnt acceptable. As a player I tend to ask before session and try to mention any hard "NO's" if I think things might go in ways Im not comfortable with.

So this is an old chestnut that is up to the DM and players. Not some faceless mob trying to dictate how everyone MUST play.

Quote from: Charon's Little Helper;1090318You do realize that free speech is only in respect to the government - right?

The convention isn't run by the government and has no requirement to allow creepy GMs to do whatever they want to.

Muh private platform! Until they up and get you.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1090324Muh private platform! Until they up and get you.

You're being incoherent. And ranting. And with more than a touch of conspiracy theorizing on top for good measure.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1090324Muh private platform! Until they up and get you.

To provide some perspective, if you pulled this sort of shit at a meeting in any company big enough to have an HR department, your ass would be fired so fast it would make your head spin.

Quote from: Omega;1090323Thats the problem with the UK. They ban anything that 'might' be dangerous. Or even words that someone somewhere out there might find offensive or... dangerous!

TMNT is a good example. Someone used nunchucks to rob a store? All nunchucks are banned as are depictions of them. Ninjas are scary and use pointy things. Banned. Now its Teenage Mutant HERO Turtles! And so on ad nausium. Someone used a replica Klingon weapon in a riot or somesuch? Banned. Think they even banned pocket knives. The word Dweeb? Banned. (or at least censored). This on top of their 'internet police squad' and surveillance cameras increasingly all over the place. For your safety!

Its allways "for your safety!" or better yet. "for your childrens safety!" just give up one more little tiny freedom here. Oh and one over there, and hey can we implant tracking chips in your kids? For your safety! And you know. Wouldnt it be just jolly if we installed surveillance cameras in your house? for your safety!

And there are people willing to practically sell their kids futures into slavery to keep them "safe".

And this gets applied to games too.

Did you know some people roll dice to gamble? RPGs are banned because they are gambling! A law in effect in a few EU cities as of a decade ago. Its been done in the US too way back in the 80s or 90s.

As for the incident with this game. What REALLY happened? Was some player offended? Did the DM not lay out this stuff before session? If everyone went into this knowing it was going to be a mess then whats the problem? If this was just sprung on them out of the blue then thats on the DM for not being clear before hand.

I've done alot of horror sessions and allways I lay out beforehand what the limits are and what is and isnt acceptable. As a player I tend to ask before session and try to mention any hard "NO's" if I think things might go in ways Im not comfortable with.

So this is an old chestnut that is up to the DM and players. Not some faceless mob trying to dictate how everyone MUST play.

The GM didn't warn anybody, not even the convention, the characters were all 18-19 (so teens) despite some here calling it paedophile gang rape.

Agreed with everything.

Quote from: Larsdangly;1090326To provide some perspective, if you pulled this sort of shit at a meeting in any company big enough to have an HR department, your ass would be fired so fast it would make your head spin.

Yes, and a convention isn't that. Unless you happen to be staff, which the asshole wasn't.

Still I agree the convention was in their right to kick him out and ban him. It's the morons trying to dox him and so destroy him what I have a problem with.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1090329Yes, and a convention isn't that. Unless you happen to be staff, which the asshole wasn't.

Still I agree the convention was in their right to kick him out and ban him. It's the morons trying to dox him and so destroy him what I have a problem with.

If you were running a convention in the future, and he applied to run a game, would you let him?

Quote from: spon;1090333If you were running a convention in the future, and he applied to run a game, would you let him?

Not unless he wrote a pretty damn convincing letter showing he's realized how grossly inappropriate it was to spring this on players.  

18+ means I don't want to be limited to topics only appropriate for children.  In today's environment I'd take that to mean things might get killed instead of beat furiously with pillows or given a strong worded lecture. It doesn't mean I want to spend three hours in tentacle porn unless someone explicitly said "Be ok with tentacle porn and violent sexual content".

QuoteSo now it was paedophile gang rape? The characters were teens, so you're wrong.

Yep, you're right; I misremembered the original article. No paedophilia involved. I was wrong.

QuoteAnd exactly where do you draw the line in regards to free speech?

This is really fuck-all to do with free speech. The players signed up for a game expecting a particular kind of experience and got something unexpected and unpleasant. The GM misrepresented his game, the experience on offer, and didn't seem to care about the effect. That's not a case of free speech; it's a nasty case of bait and fucking switch.

QuoteYou on the other hand have no principles and act depending if you agree or not with the speech. So either a right wing SJW or a left wing one.

I think its pretty fucking clear that I think the GM is a prick and deserved the punishment he got. I've also been pretty fucking clear that I don't believe he should be hounded until he rots for being an asshole. You however, seem intent on ignoring what I've said and turning this back on the guys who complained by deciding that they're morons and secretly getting hard-ons from the subject matter. Principles? I'm not sure you actually grasp the concept all that well.

QuoteYour argument is "won't somebody think of the children?" as if that guy being a shock jock actually raped somebody.

My arguments have been pretty clearly stated. And they ain't that.

QuoteAlso, I thought you were bored with me?

I never said I was bored with you! Hell, you're the gift that keeps on giving!

Quote from: sureshot;1090263I'm not an SJW by any means yet it is also a self-inflicted mistake that might ruin his own life. Anyone with a functioning brain cell could have seen that scenario should have never left the mind of the DM. Your just asking to get banned from the rpg community. As I said yes it is a mistake yet man one hell of stupid mistake to do and then essentially do the equivalent of a smile and go " i like trolling people so I pull this kind of stupid shit for giggles and kicks".

Its more that this should not have been run at a con where you werent darn sure it was ok to. That sort of session would fly at MiniCon. I mean really, they had a live BDSM party going every night every year. But it would not be ok at a more family friendly con. GenCon might be a no. Though in ages past they wouldnt have cared. There was some pretty creepy stuff played. But usually the more adult stuff was sectioned in special areas for that so you wouldnt creep out anyone else. Werewolf, Vampire, etc, saw those sectioned off now and then.

A quick glance at the expo site seems to indicate it is more family oriented? That should have been a red flag warning right there?

Quote from: spon;1090333If you were running a convention in the future, and he applied to run a game, would you let him?

I'm with Bunch in this, if he showed he learned why it was wrong to spring gang rape on the players? sure.

Quote from: sureshot;1090274I don't understand the part about remaining at the table until the end if being offended by the scenario. Or sitting through a discussion, movie etc if one is offended. If something bothers me I get up and leave. Fuck politeness and your hurt feelings.

Where I play it is considered polite to bow out of a session if its not going in a way you like and impolite to sit through when you are hating it. Or just speak up and say "hey? could we tone this down some?"

I've actually had issues with players who played something horror themed, were asked halfway through if they are enjoying it, they said yes, and at the end declared they didnt. Theres the door. Go.