Quote from: Kevin197;1087414"Yes because thats why you put Seoni in her origonal outfit to  highlight her intellect."

Was just looking at level 12 Seoni stats this morning - she has all of INT 10.

That new outfit looks hilariously bad to me. Why do Paizo slut-shame their Seoni cosplayers like this??

Quote from: Kevin197;1087414Long time pathfinder fan here and I've been totally turned off by the thing mainly by there new art for the iconics which (IMHO) looks much worse than the origonal versions except for 1. What has really pissed me off is the way there handling critasism of the new art (Apparently any critique of the female characters is shaming of real life women). Which in the case of the only updated one I like the sorceror Seoni is especially jarring or to paraphrase Archer "Yes because thats why you put Seoni in her origonal outfit to  highlight her intellect."

Just so everyone can see what I'm talking about

https://imgur.com/gallery/2w8CP4Phttp://

And Seoni old https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/pathfinder/images/2/2a/Seoni.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080602020008http://

And new https://paizo.com/image/content/PathfinderRPG/20190509-Seoni.jpg

Your first two URLs have an extra trailing http:// on them that breaks them.

Who's the new artist?  Wayne Reynolds is the original.

Quote from: S'mon;1087427That new outfit looks hilariously bad to me. Why do Paizo slut-shame their Seoni cosplayers like this??

Don't you know looking sexy and attractive is a bad thing now. better the character look  like she is wearing some old drapes my grandmother used to have on the windows then actually look practical. In any case I'm sure most Seoni cosplayer will just ignore the new look. Unless the SJWs cosplay sjame into them having to wear the new one.

Quote from: kythri;1087433Your first two URLs have an extra trailing http:// on them that breaks them.

Who's the new artist?  Wayne Reynolds is the original.

Still Wayne Reynold

Ugh.  What happened to him?

Quote from: kythri;1087454Ugh.  What happened to him?

I know right? Your responce is the exact same ive gotten from everyone in my group ive shown.

I was kinda worried (I don't much care for PF) that our Wednesday night group would embrace PF 2e since a couple of them went all in on PF stuff during 1e... but that doesn't seem to be the case and they're playing D&D 5e instead.

Quote from: sureshot;1085493Their insulting, finger wagging, talking down to myself and other gamers as if we are terrible people SJW  "you must be a full time psychologist" Manifesto on pages 6&7 did turn me off wanting to buy the new edition.

Can you post a sample?

Quote from: Aglondir;1088254Can you post a sample?

A photo of the section in question would be wonderful, but I haven't had any pictures hosted since the Photobucket changes of recent past.  I own the book.  It's the most touchy feely section of GM instructions I've ever read.  Bunch of safe space stuff, telling you what to allow and incorporate at your gaming table.

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/9dpisn/socjus_tabletop_gaming_paizo_pushes_sjw_nonsense/

It is from an older Reddit thread and they post excerpts from Pathfinder 2E suddenly fully woke manifesto from the core. What happened to don't  be a jerk and treat everyone with respect.

You know I used to believe the expresion get woke go broke was comlpete and utter nonsense bull*&^£ but good gods have paizo and there current forums managed to prove me wrong.

Quote from: Kevin197;1088309You know I used to believe the expresion get woke go broke was comlpete and utter nonsense bull*&^£ but good gods have paizo and there current forums managed to prove me wrong.

I have not really been active on them for a quite awhile. Has it really become that bad.

Quote from: sureshot;1088316I have not really been active on them for a quite awhile. Has it really become that bad.

I had never visited there before, but it did not take long to find this:

QuoteWhat the heck is this? (Why in the 9 Hells did they put politics in the game?)

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https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42jdk?What-the-heck-is-this

I participated in a playtest of PF 2E recently. I'm not a fan of the first edition, and I heard that they were aiming to make 2E simpler so I thought it might appeal to me. I think they were aiming to make the game more like 5E, but oddly, it felt like 4E. Some highlights (?):

It was just a simple tavern brawl followed by some RP.
I did not encounter any social justice, which I'm guessing is in the book but not the rules.**
Everyone got three actions per turn, but it felt more cumbersome than heroic.
The characters had class-specific maneuvers* which cost multiple actions.
Only fighters got AoO, which was actually cool.
The damage output was inflated (swords do 2d8) so they had to inflate the HP. This made the game feel bloated.
Skills did not have ranks, but codewords like expert*, master*, etc. which seemed totally like ranks since they gave you +1, +2, etc.
If you rolled 10 over your DC, you got a critical. Nothing wrong with that per se, but it created a weird dissonance.
The overall experience was merely Ok. Worse than 5E.


*May be the wrong term, or even just wrong.
** I do not have, nor have I read, the rules.

Quote from: Aglondir;1088388*May be the wrong term, or even just wrong.

Some of those things are wrong, but not many of them.

There are no mundane weapons in the playtest rules that do 2d anything.  Maybe there was a magic sword in the mix, but a standard longsword is still 1d8.  They do seem to want to do more dice rather than more static numbers though.  You are more likely to have 2d8 than d8+4.

Hitpoints bloated?  Maybe.  It is like in their Starfinder line: species + class + Con bonus.  Every level you get your class hit points + con bonus again.  So a boost at level one and then effectively maximum hit points each level. So kinda bloated, but not by much.

Those code words are called "Proficiency Ranks."  They seem like ranks because they are.  They are both bonuses and skill unlocks, some things can't be done unless you have a certain rank and some things work better at certain ranks.

I really do like attacks of opportunity being only for Fighters though.