Quote from: HappyDaze;1085598In Pathfinder, a dozen books means you're still a dabbler.

Haha!!!  I jumped on PF, mainly because I was out of the hobby during 3rd and 4th Edition D&D.  I also purchased myself a decent selection of 4E and 5E books as well.  Then I went back to the AD&D books, and a little OSR stuff too; just for good measure.  If the modifiers and feats were scaled back in PF 1E, I would love it to death.  It was much easier to find PF books, than 3rd Edition books in excellent condition.

Quote from: Lychee of the Exchequer;1085588It had the same effect on me. I really wonder: do Lisa Stevens and Vic Wertz, Paizo's bosses, realize that they have alienated some of their former user base with their pseudo-moralistic bullshit ? Do they even care ?

So obviously: no PF 2E for me, unless Paizo cuts on the SJW bullshit.

Ho: they should leave trans people well alone too, instead of "celebrating" them. It's disrespecful of them and cringingly embarrassing (sigh).

When I first read that I had to make sure to pinch myself. Then make sure I was not drunk, high or suffering from a major concussion. Whether we like it or not rpg companies are jumping on the fully woke train. I do not even mind what the intent they were trying to say with those two pages. It was just how they fucking said it. WTF did SJW pea pod people from outer space replace the Paizo staff. It could have been said in so many other betterways and they had to pick the worst way possible to appease the SJWs who play PF. MY job is to DM. Not to be a fucking pop psychologist at least not for free. Play at my table and expect Orcs, Drow and other traditional monsters to be enemies and evil. Before any SJW minded finishes spouting "your perpuating white colonial stereotypes towards defenseless helpless indigenous monster population" One is out the damn door.

It is such a backward thing to do especially when trying to sell a new edition of their core book.

Quote from: Theory of Games;1085568I cannot believe Paizo missed the mark so badly. Is it just PF1E grogs defending their turf? I liked the "Unchained" rules, but this new version is something different. But, different is same.

They complain about Wizards being too powerful and Fighters sucking at the table yet they also do not want both issues fixed so they can just complain about it. Don't you dare fix the issue though. As I said with 5E a rehash of a rehash of 3.5. with better production values was not going to sell either. Many gamers are fucking cheap and they also offer the rules for free though not sure if they do anymore on their online SRD. They fixed both issues and gamers complained "oh noees my caster cannot dominate at the table anymore." Go cry me on river on that I don't care. Casters with the right player and feats could pretty much do almost anything imo.

Someone will eventually run PF 2E somewhere it is inevitable so somewhere someone will be teaching others about it.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1085598In Pathfinder, a dozen books means you're still a dabbler.

Just checked my library - I have 61 Pathfinder publications, though that includes 9 early ones written for 3.5e. I'm definitely just a dabbler though.

I'm keeping D&D 3.5 with some of the tweaks made by Paizo for Pathfinder... go figure.

Quote from: Theory of Games;1085568"No NO NO! You all have to convert to the new edition

Well PF1E is open content so the fans fix things if they wanted too in the same way Pazio fixed things with Wizards.

Quote from: sureshot;1085646They complain about Wizards being too powerful and Fighters sucking at the table yet they also do not want both issues fixed so they can just complain about it. Don't you dare fix the issue though. As I said with 5E a rehash of a rehash of 3.5. with better production values was not going to sell either. Many gamers are fucking cheap and they also offer the rules for free though not sure if they do anymore on their online SRD. They fixed both issues and gamers complained "oh noees my caster cannot dominate at the table anymore." Go cry me on river on that I don't care. Casters with the right player and feats could pretty much do almost anything imo.

Someone will eventually run PF 2E somewhere it is inevitable so somewhere someone will be teaching others about it.

What's funny is casters are still objectively stronger than everything else. They are just less fun to play now. Martials still suck and in some ways suck more.

A+ design work

I watched an old Know Direction podcast; in which Jason Buhlman said the people who played the PF Playtest, still haven't played PF 2E yet.  He promised it would be different.

Then I watched another Know Direction podcast; in which a Paizo employee claimed the two female characters pictured on the cover of the 2E Rulebook are involved in a lesbian relationship.  He specifically mentioned the LGBTQ+ acronym.

Kyra and Merisel (cleric and rogue) have been a couple for years.  This is not news.

Quote from: Manic Modron;1085787Kyra and Merisel (cleric and rogue) have been a couple for years.  This is not news.

But they purposely pointed out to the LGBTQ+ crowd, "hey look; we've put the lesbians on the front cover now, and we've taken the male fighter off the front cover.  Isn't that great!!!". They didn't just do it, they pointed it out.  Pathetic pandering........

Quote from: Razor 007;1085789But they purposely pointed out to the LGBTQ+ crowd, "hey look; we've put the lesbians on the front cover now, and we've taken the male fighter off the front cover.  Isn't that great!!!". They didn't just do it, they pointed it out.  Pathetic pandering........

I thought it was pretty well understood that most adventurers are somewhat queer. The heterosexual adventures eventually settle down, get married, have kids, etc.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1085796I thought it was pretty well understood that most adventurers are somewhat queer. The heterosexual adventures eventually settle down, get married, have kids, etc.

Wow....  That's enlightening.

I'm all in for Starfinder, but PF2 no way. There's more than enough editions of fantasy gaming on my shelf to scratch the itch. D&D 5e is just fine, and if my crunch-happy friends want to go back to PF1, that's fine too.

Quote from: Razor 007;1085798Wow....  That's enlightening.

Yeah, like the homosexual adventurers don't want to settle down too.   Everyone wants to retire someday.

Quote from: Manic Modron;1085829Yeah, like the homosexual adventurers don't want to settle down too.   Everyone wants to retire someday.

Old wizard's secluded in their towers, the grizzled old guard captain, wise women all by herself? All queer. Where are their significant others? If they aren't dead they probably have separate houses to lower suspicion and they can afford that luxury since they didn't have kids and apprentices are technically free-labor (cheaper).