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Palladium Books Begging for Cash Again

Started by Abraxus, March 23, 2019, 11:19:51 PM

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VincentTakeda

#45
April 06, 2019, 08:59:47 PM
And admittetly palladium's most ardent fans congregate on the company's own forum and are a bit of an insular bunch probably for good reason.

Lurtch

#46
April 06, 2019, 09:37:59 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1082545Because too many of those "boycott Palladium" people are ex-Palladium customers, ex-Palladium gamers and ex-Palladium fans.

I've GM'd a lot of Palladium at game days and cons. It's sad how often the table conversation is focused on the company's missteps and how many of the players are self-described "ex-fans". That does not bode well.




That's exactly the long term problem for Palladium.

RPGs survive because of their fandom. If your fandom is off playing other RPGs, they aren't customers, recruiters or evangelists for you anymore.

Lapsed fans are different than people who are boycotting the company.

There is nothing Palladium can do, other than offering Kevin's head on a platter, to a lot of people.

Nobody disagrees that Palladium needs to change and their fan base is aging and shrinking. But, you know what I do? I stopped caring and I'll buy the Savage Worlds product. If the new editions come out and they are better I'll buy them .

But Kevin has been running his company for almost 40 years and I'm not going to wish him ill. Let him do him and when gets a product I want I'll buy it

David Johansen

#47
April 06, 2019, 10:49:18 PM
The kids at my store love Palladium.  Sadly, I was sick of them by TMNT.  Sorry, Heroes Unlimited ruined a great system.  But yeah, the teenagers still eat that stuff right up.
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Lurtch

#48
April 06, 2019, 11:40:40 PM
I liked Palladium 30 years ago because the art was great and I could get the books in India and it was hard to get RPG products there

Abraxus

#49
April 07, 2019, 12:30:49 AM
Quote from: David Johansen;1082553The kids at my store love Palladium.  Sadly, I was sick of them by TMNT.  Sorry, Heroes Unlimited ruined a great system.  But yeah, the teenagers still eat that stuff right up.

Unfortunately not enough of them. The company has a fanbase and it keeps shrinking. With Kevin actions doing nothing to stop the trend. With the system also not being as popular as it once was.

VincentTakeda

#50
April 07, 2019, 02:10:42 PM Last Edit: April 07, 2019, 02:14:18 PM by VincentTakeda
Heroes unlimited is about the only thing I play anymore and i'm in my mid 40s. None of my group are teenagers.  Teenagers lookin for superhero campaigns rarely get palladium as a recommendation. Usually its just me and usually I get a lot of downvotes for it.

Almost_Useless

#51
April 07, 2019, 04:21:52 PM
I'm a lapsed fan that would be willing to come back.  My groups were never big into Rifts, but we had a good time with Heroes Unlimited and TMNT.  I still throw in bits of Palladium Fantasy in my D&D games.  I'd like to get updated pdfs of their stuff, but I just can't bring myself to do it.  I get that their business in general is a little wonky, but they way they handled the Robotech Kickstarter is something I just can't get past.

Lurtch

#52
April 07, 2019, 07:51:09 PM
Quote from: Almost_Useless;1082621I'm a lapsed fan that would be willing to come back.  My groups were never big into Rifts, but we had a good time with Heroes Unlimited and TMNT.  I still throw in bits of Palladium Fantasy in my D&D games.  I'd like to get updated pdfs of their stuff, but I just can't bring myself to do it.  I get that their business in general is a little wonky, but they way they handled the Robotech Kickstarter is something I just can't get past.
If you cannot get past it how are you willing to come back?

Almost_Useless

#53
April 08, 2019, 01:27:07 AM
Quote from: Lurtch;1082637If you cannot get past it how are you willing to come back?

Well, if they somehow managed to take responsibility for the Robotech fiasco and make it right to those backers.  The odds of me hitting the Powerball jackpot are probably better than that happening.  The only other way would probably be a 100% change in ownership, not that I'm holding my breath for that either.

HappyDaze

#54
April 08, 2019, 01:50:52 AM
Could always be the old fashioned type of supporter: The one that buys the physical products when they come out but knows better than to put any money down on Palladium stuff until that moment.

Ratman_tf

#55
April 08, 2019, 02:07:11 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze;1082651Could always be the old fashioned type of supporter: The one that buys the physical products when they come out but knows better than to put any money down on Palladium stuff until that moment.

That's my tactic.
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Abraxus

#56
April 08, 2019, 08:07:51 AM
Mine as well

Abraxus

#57
April 08, 2019, 08:10:07 AM
Quote from: Almost_Useless;1082650Well, if they somehow managed to take responsibility for the Robotech fiasco and make it right to those backers.  The odds of me hitting the Powerball jackpot are probably better than that happening.  The only other way would probably be a 100% change in ownership, not that I'm holding my breath for that either.

The Middle East has a better chance of converting to Christianity before Kevin admits to any mistakes. Given his new Insider offer has also not learnt from past mistakes either.

Lurtch

#58
April 08, 2019, 10:47:18 AM
Quote from: Almost_Useless;1082650Well, if they somehow managed to take responsibility for the Robotech fiasco and make it right to those backers.  The odds of me hitting the Powerball jackpot are probably better than that happening.  The only other way would probably be a 100% change in ownership, not that I'm holding my breath for that either.

So, you're not a customer or going to be a customer. That's my point. I understand and don't disagree with why you aren't a customer. But, if I'm running a business I wouldn't spend two seconds trying to appease you because it's not possible. Palladium doesn't have the money to refund people and selling my company doesn't work either. So, while you are a lapsed fan you're not a gettable fan.

I don't buy Palladium products anymore either. I'm a lapsed fan. Unless they convert to  a system like BRP I'm not interested in their rules. The Savage Rifts product is better but fugly. I don't understand how PEG can see all of that great Palladium art and decide not to hire Chuck Walton or Kevin Long to do the art.

Lurtch

#59
April 08, 2019, 10:47:56 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze;1082651Could always be the old fashioned type of supporter: The one that buys the physical products when they come out but knows better than to put any money down on Palladium stuff until that moment.

Or wait for the grab bags and get the product cheap
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