I didn't insult you. You're not a customer of theirs.  It's interesting that you took me just simply pointing out that you're not a customer of Palladium as an insult. You don't play their games and you implied you're boycotting their products.

Here is the thing: you have a major chip on your shoulder about Kevin. And I'm not saying your hate isn't unearned or passing judgement on if they deserve it or not. But, why would a company spend two seconds trying to market anything towards somebody who doesn't like their games, doesn't buy their games, and may or may not be boycotting their products.

Kevin could come out an apologize tomorrow and it won't do anything to make you purchase their products. It's pretty clear that you want his head more than you want his games. You are childish.

Do you know what adults do when they have no interest in something? They move on. I really liked the 7th Sea but I hate the new edition. I spend no time hating on it. I won't run to a forum when John Wick faces troubles. But, I'm an adult.

Maybe you should try to grow up.

I'm not spending all my time dwelling on Kevin. If someone were to ask if they should invest in the their latest cash grab I will advise them not too. Nor is anyone forcing you to participate in this thread.

I find it funny Lurtch that your trying to call me obsessed yet went after no one else in the thread who is saying negstive things about Palladium. As for chips on shoulders your one to talk. How about you fix your on faults and flaws first begore pointing out other peoples flaws.

So I take it then I'm not on your ignore list anymore. Or am I on it when it's convient for you.

I miss the old 80's Palladium.  My favourite games of theirs still remain Eric Wujcik's TMNT, Ninja and Superspies and the later Mystic China.  Also, loved the Palladium Fantasy 1st. edition core.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1081975I miss the old 80's Palladium.  My favourite games of theirs still remain Eric Wujcik's TMNT, Ninja and Superspies and the later Mystic China.  Also, loved the Palladium Fantasy 1st. edition core.

Ninjas & Superspies is really good. My favorite Palladium product is the Compendium of Weapons Armour and Castles series. I really loved those books. The Orient book was my favorite. TMNT is really good too.

Quote from: sureshot;1081973I'm not spending all my time dwelling on Kevin. If someone were to ask if they should invest in the their latest cash grab I will advise them not too. Nor is anyone forcing you to participate in this thread.

I find it funny Lurtch that your trying to call me obsessed yet went after no one else in the thread who is saying negstive things about Palladium. As for chips on shoulders your one to talk. How about you fix your on faults and flaws first begore pointing out other peoples flaws.

So I take it then I'm not on your ignore list anymore. Or am I on it when it's convient for you.

Nobody asked you. You started the thread. I get it that you're angry. But the best thing for you would be just not to give two fucks what Palladium books does. I know you're hoping that the company fails and all of the brands you like are taken from Kevin and given to somebody else.

You're on my ignore list but it's really easy to click that little button and I have a bad habit of engaging with people when I shouldn't. Nobody is perfect.

Quote from: Lurtch;1081979Nobody asked you.

I was not aware I needed anyone permission especially yours. Again no one forced yourself or anyone else to participate in this thread. I don't get the issue here.

Yes I admit I am somewhat bitter towards PB and Kevin. As D&D 1E was my first and Robotech my second rpg to the hobby. I don't get the issue here. Are you trolling, bored or simply want to increase your post count? Perhaps to derail the thread in the hopes Pundit closes it?

Quote from: Lurtch;1081979But the best thing for you would be just not to give two fucks what Palladium books does. I know you're hoping that the company fails and all of the brands you like are taken from Kevin and given to somebody else.

I don't want the company to fail as some employees would be out of jobs. Which would be a bad thing for those employees. Yet eventually even with begging fans for cash if they maintain the status quo and change nothing the situation for them will not get better just worse. Spare me the "your a bad person for wanting a business to fail routine". If it was Wotc or some other rpg company you dislike you would be here ripping them a new one for ripping off fans. As per usual gamer geek behavior favored rpg companies are sacrosanct and above reproach while those they dislike are the span of the devil out to rip-off their fans.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1081975I miss the old 80's Palladium.  My favourite games of theirs still remain Eric Wujcik's TMNT, Ninja and Superspies and the later Mystic China.  Also, loved the Palladium Fantasy 1st. edition core.

Ninja and Superspies badly needs an ultimate edition or a rewrite as in terms of technology the rpg has aged badly. Actually all their rpgs like Heroes Unlimited that have technology are incredibly dated and could use a rewrite. The sad part is if they had made an effort to come out with a new edition or even just a rewriting of the core system they would be a profitable rpg company. Too little too late to do it know as they would need to borrow and/or beg for more money from the fans or some other source. While losing profit that could have gone into their pockets to others like Pinnacle with Savage Rifts.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1081975I miss the old 80's Palladium.  My favourite games of theirs still remain Eric Wujcik's TMNT, Ninja and Superspies and the later Mystic China.  Also, loved the Palladium Fantasy 1st. edition core.

All good games, played the heck out of them, PFRPG 1st edition is still my favorite fantasy game...

Sureshot, you started this thread to complain about Palladium "begging for money" for having what essentially is a KS campaign on their website. You have a huge chip on your shoulder and it's silly. You're bitter and you don't like Kevin then ignore them.

Also, you said if anybody asked you'd advise them not to. Nobody asked you. You started a thread to complain about a small RPG publisher in Detroit. You don't like their games and you don't like the guy writing the games. What did you hope to gain from this thread? Palladium is a niche publisher that sells products to their audience. You're mentally I'll. Seek help.

Again looks who is taking when it comes to chips on shoulders. Take a look at yourself first before critcizing others. One more fucking time I don't need to ask for your damn permission to post a thread here or elsewhere. Don't like my post or thread your not forced to respond let aline read it.

As you can't come up with a good response beyond copy and pasting a previous response I'm no longer going to respond to you in this thread. But hey feel free to copy and paste the same post a third time. You sure showed us and especially me.

I always liked the Palladium Fantasy setting. The vsriety of non-human races. Though many like trolls are way too powerful. As well as Dwarves and Elves dislike each other and went to wat and almost annihilated each other. Like too many settings past and present it does suffer from humanity being st the top of the food chain

Lurtch, are you familiar with Palladium's actions vs. fansites, its Crisis of Treachery, its first Palladium Insider and its Robotech Kickstarter?

I'm a Palladium fan and I've GM'd their games for decades, but I've had to separate my feelings for Kevin as Creator vs. Kevin as Businessman because of the numerous times Palladium has so very unfortunately shot itself in the foot, much to the detriment of its most devoted fans. There is only so much goodwill that a fandom can maintain before it just wanders away to other games.

Its sad because Palladium should be tremendously successful, just on its highly creative IPs.

If anything good came of the kickstarter debacle, its that kevin attempted to use the newest tool in business finance and bungled it so bad that he's pretty much shut off his own access to it in the future.

Following that the resounding success of the Critical Role cartoon shows him that there's tons of money in the industry through that channel if he hadn't misbehaved on an epic level.

Palladium is still my system of choice to this day, but he did it to himself.  Most unfortunately, as a palladium gamer I do now have to carry the baggage of that publicity with me into any prospective new gaming groups.

Still prefer it to savage rifts though.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1082141Lurtch, are you familiar with Palladium's actions vs. fansites, its Crisis of Treachery, its first Palladium Insider and its Robotech Kickstarter?

I'm a Palladium fan and I've GM'd their games for decades, but I've had to separate my feelings for Kevin as Creator vs. Kevin as Businessman because of the numerous times Palladium has so very unfortunately shot itself in the foot, much to the detriment of its most devoted fans. There is only so much goodwill that a fandom can maintain before it just wanders away to other games.

Its sad because Palladium should be tremendously successful, just on its highly creative IPs.

I am fully aware and I completely understand people that want nothing to do with Palladium. I didn't say Sureshot was wrong for how he feels about Palladium. Palladium mismanaged tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. The deserve a lot of the hate.

My point is that if you're not a customer and you are boycotting Palladium why should they give two hoots about you? Let Palladium be Palladium and find a company you like and has product you like. I don't think the seething anger is healthy. I also didn't consider these insider deals to be begging for money more than any KS is.

If Palladium didn't fuck up so much they could do a KS. I'm not giving Palladium money for this because I did back during northern Gun and how late was that book? I gave money for RTT and received duplicate pieces of plastic instead of the product i pre paid for.

Quote from: Lurtch;1082204My point is that if you're not a customer and you are boycotting Palladium why should they give two hoots about you?

Because too many of those "boycott Palladium" people are ex-Palladium customers, ex-Palladium gamers and ex-Palladium fans.

I've GM'd a lot of Palladium at game days and cons. It's sad how often the table conversation is focused on the company's missteps and how many of the players are self-described "ex-fans". That does not bode well.

Quote from: Lurtch;1082204Let Palladium be Palladium and find a company you like and has product you like.

That's exactly the long term problem for Palladium.

RPGs survive because of their fandom. If your fandom is off playing other RPGs, they aren't customers, recruiters or evangelists for you anymore.