On a Scale of 1 to 10, How Much Crunch do You Like in Your Games?

Trond · March 09, 2019, 09:28:41 PM

So how would you guys rank Rolemaster? There are plenty of rumors of its crunchyness, but I always found it relatively straightforward (although I always simplified it a bit).

HappyDaze · March 10, 2019, 12:34:36 AM

Quote from: Trond;1078413So how would you guys rank Rolemaster? There are plenty of rumors of its crunchyness, but I always found it relatively straightforward (although I always simplified it a bit).

Character creation and advancement can be a pain in the ass without a character generator program/spreadsheet, but with one it's not too bad. In play, it can vary tremendously depending on what rules you are using (% of action bits being the ones that I found to be a pain in the ass).

Razor 007 · March 10, 2019, 12:52:49 AM

Quote from: The Spaniard;1078366Hey y'all, new poster here. I play mostly C&C, but am an old 1E player as well. I'm somewhere in the middle. 3E and Pathfinder are too crunchy. Just started playing in a 5E game, so it's too soon for me to comment on that one yet. I'll get to it though.

Awesome to have a new poster. I looked into C&C pretty hard. I didn't purchase it, but it was high on my list. I found it very interesting that Gygax was writing content compatible with C&C at the time of his passing. I'd love to see his last writings.

Alexander Kalinowski · March 10, 2019, 01:33:04 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze;1078422Character creation and advancement can be a pain in the ass without a character generator program/spreadsheet, but with one it's not too bad. In play, it can vary tremendously depending on what rules you are using (% of action bits being the ones that I found to be a pain in the ass).

I agree. But because of that and the vast amount of tables filled with numbers, there are plenty of people who wouldn't go anywhere near it. And because we played it with % of actions, I would rank it pretty high in complexity.

trechriron · March 10, 2019, 03:17:12 AM

Quote from: The Spaniard;1078366Hey y'all, new poster here. I play mostly C&C, but am an old 1E player as well. I'm somewhere in the middle. 3E and Pathfinder are too crunchy. Just started playing in a 5E game, so it's too soon for me to comment on that one yet. I'll get to it though.

Welcome to theRPGsite!

Arioch · March 10, 2019, 06:08:27 AM

Quote from: Trond;1078413So how would you guys rank Rolemaster? There are plenty of rumors of its crunchyness, but I always found it relatively straightforward (although I always simplified it a bit).

I'd rank it as a medium/high level of crunch, possibly higher if you're using all the companions and various options. Say around 7 if you're using just the RMFRP core book (or RM2/Classic core books), and 8 or more as you start adding stuff.
As others said, much of the crunchiness is front-loaded, as it will hit you during character generation. Once you're set up it's fairly easy to run.

I like crunchy stuff, but these days I'd say a 7 is as much as I can handle, unless I already know the system or I'm really motivated.

PrometheanVigil · March 10, 2019, 01:48:42 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze;1078408Fully equipping a single Shadowrun 5e character with gear can take more effort than building an entire party of characters for a game like D&D 5e or Shadow of the Demon Lord.

Quote from: Opaopajr;1078409Yeah... been there, done that, once. Once. :mad:

Hence the 9 on my scale, hahaha.

OmSwaOperations · March 14, 2019, 09:53:16 AM

I've enjoyed playing 5e quite a bit, which people seem to have down as 5ish on the crunch ranking. Having said that, I'd probably lean towards more crunch rather than less. I found Dungeon World a bit dissatisfying (and that's probably 2-3 crunch). By contrast, even though I think Dark Heresy could be simplied without undermining the experience, I think that's a great game (and would rate it around 7 on the crunch scale).

Blink_Dog · March 16, 2019, 11:10:27 AM

Crunch level depends on the type of game and whether I like the feel of it. I've played Phoenix Command with the advance rules, that is a definite 10 in complexity, my friends and I used to joke that Phoenix Command was the Bullet Time RPG. For Fantasy games simpler is better, 1st ed AD&D without the nit-picky rules.

RPGPundit · March 26, 2019, 04:43:50 AM

I want around as much crunch level as Basic/Expert D&D.