Does it give them brain damage?

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1061795(The distinction between fairy tale and myth is extremely fuzzy, since there isn't a noticeable difference in their styles. The only difference I can see is that myths are part of a larger mythic world context, whereas fairy tales are entirely self-contained. In the modern popular culture, the concept of "fairy tale worlds" destroys this distinction.)

I think the difference is that calling something a fairy tale means "We don't actually believe this stuff" AND "this is just a story, it doesn't say anything about the human condition". Myths have an element of truthiness that fairy tales lack in conception.

I may be wrong, but it seems easy to distinguish mythic films like Star Wars, Robocop and Mad Max II: The Road Warrior from fairy-tale films like Wizard of Oz, Dark Crystal & Legend.

Isn't a little bit of Gate Keeping preferable though? To actually have a culture you need to do SOME form of gate keeping to make it distinct from others and get dedicated buy in.

Going to the video game definition of being a "Gamer". One of Gamergate's biggest fronts was about the definition of what it truly means to be a "Gamer". Playing videogames does not make you a gamer. Playing Candy Crush on your phone doesn't put you in the same culture as someone who builds their own PC, fits it out with LED's for customization so it looks cool while also playing anything at max settings without any frame rate loss.

Just like driving a car doesn't make you a "gear head" or part of "Car culture" there's more buy in needed, more commitment over all.

Now to much gate keeping is a bad thing of course. You do want to be open enough to draw people into your hobby, but you also want to make sure you're getting people you want into the hobby.

Just some rambling thoughts on my part, take it with a grain of salt.

Quote from: Orphan81;1061830Isn't a little bit of Gate Keeping preferable though? To actually have a culture you need to do SOME form of gate keeping to make it distinct from others and get dedicated buy in.

Going to the video game definition of being a "Gamer". One of Gamergate's biggest fronts was about the definition of what it truly means to be a "Gamer". Playing videogames does not make you a gamer. Playing Candy Crush on your phone doesn't put you in the same culture as someone who builds their own PC, fits it out with LED's for customization so it looks cool while also playing anything at max settings without any frame rate loss.

Just like driving a car doesn't make you a "gear head" or part of "Car culture" there's more buy in needed, more commitment over all.

Now to much gate keeping is a bad thing of course. You do want to be open enough to draw people into your hobby, but you also want to make sure you're getting people you want into the hobby.

Just some rambling thoughts on my part, take it with a grain of salt.

I'm glad someone is bothering to demonstrate actual gatekeeping.

Telling people they are doing something wrong is not gatekeeping, it's disagreement and people should be able to do that without being called Bad.

Pundit says you have to play RPGs to be considered part of the RPG community. That is technically gatekeeping, but it's a perfectly reasonable line to draw and represents the bare minimum to be considered "in the hobby".

Likewise anyone that plays games is "a Gamer" even if it is silly phone games. Anything other definition is gatekeeping and represented the parts of GamerGate that people rightfully attacked. (Ethics in journalism be it game or otherwise is a worthy concern. The biggest problem is gamers wanted their journalist to be more ethical than regular journalist are, who basically have no ethics beyond make money).

Quote from: S'mon;1061787I agree that focusing on PC's internal state of mind is rarely good in an RPG. Not sure novels are always bad; just that they're a bad model for RPGs.

I'm used to character development and soul searching to be part of bluebooking between games. The game is where the action happens and the reflection upon that action by the character is what can happen between games.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1061835(Ethics in journalism be it game or otherwise is a worthy concern. The biggest problem is gamers wanted their journalist to be more ethical than regular journalist are, who basically have no ethics beyond make money).

I think the extreme hostility of journalists to GamerGate derived from a fear that if it spread they might be expected to have ethics, too.

Quote from: jeff37923;1061837I'm used to character development and soul searching to be part of bluebooking between games. The game is where the action happens and the reflection upon that action by the character is what can happen between games.

That's a good approach, which I've seen in 'session accounts', yup.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1061835Likewise anyone that plays games is "a Gamer" even if it is silly phone games. Anything other definition is gatekeeping and represented the parts of GamerGate that people rightfully attacked. (Ethics in journalism be it game or otherwise is a worthy concern. The biggest problem is gamers wanted their journalist to be more ethical than regular journalist are, who basically have no ethics beyond make money).

See this is where I disagree with you. 80+ percent of the western world plays games, exactly because of stupid phone games. Going by this definition would make most of the western world "Gamers". Which means the definition has become so broad, it's a useless distinction to use... No, playing videogames on your phone does not make you a "Gamer".

A Gamer is an enthusiast, it's someone who has passion for the hobby and goes out of their way to immerse themselves in it. Playing games on your phone doesn't make you a gamer. Being a gamer is more than that, it's knowing the cultural jargon, keeping up with the news and developments, having buy in to the hobby. I am a Gatekeeper in the hobby of being a Gamer (In the videogame sense of the word)... There has to be some form of gate keeping in every culture, otherwise it ceases to exist as having any meaningful definition or description of those who partake of it...

My Grandmother who plays Candy Crush on her phone has no interest in going to E3... Hell, she doesn't even know what E3 is... but any real "Gamer" (again videogame sense of the word) knows what E3 is, and knows it's a very important time of the year for the gaming Hobby as a whole... whether that's being excited about it, being cynical and depressed about it happening...or some combination thereof... E3 is a big deal for gamers.... Knowing what a micro-transaction is, harping on about always online connections...DLC these are all things that one can discuss that also points to them as being a member of the "gaming" community...

If you don't understand any of that, and have no interest in any of that, and just want to play hidden object games or Candy Crush on your phone... well then you're not really a "Gamer".

Quote from: Orphan81;1061840See this is where I disagree with you. 80+ percent of the western world plays games, exactly because of stupid phone games. Going by this definition would make most of the western world "Gamers". Which means the definition has become so broad, it's a useless distinction to use... No, playing videogames on your phone does not make you a "Gamer".

A Gamer is an enthusiast, it's someone who has passion for the hobby and goes out of their way to immerse themselves in it. Playing games on your phone doesn't make you a gamer. Being a gamer is more than that, it's knowing the cultural jargon, keeping up with the news and developments, having buy in to the hobby. I am a Gatekeeper in the hobby of being a Gamer (In the videogame sense of the word)... There has to be some form of gate keeping in every culture, otherwise it ceases to exist as having any meaningful definition or description of those who partake of it...

My Grandmother who plays Candy Crush on her phone has no interest in going to E3... Hell, she doesn't even know what E3 is... but any real "Gamer" (again videogame sense of the word) knows what E3 is, and knows it's a very important time of the year for the gaming Hobby as a whole... whether that's being excited about it, being cynical and depressed about it happening...or some combination thereof... E3 is a big deal for gamers.... Knowing what a micro-transaction is, harping on about always online connections...DLC these are all things that one can discuss that also points to them as being a member of the "gaming" community...

If you don't understand any of that, and have no interest in any of that, and just want to play hidden object games or Candy Crush on your phone... well then you're not really a "Gamer".

If 80% of people played a weekly D&D game, they would still be D&D players.

The definition could stand to go a tad more strict in that you enjoy playing games as a hobby. Some people do not consider the games they play on their phone a hobby, the realization that you have a hobby implies a certain level of investment.

Someone who plays games 20+ hours a week on a console is definitely more of a gamer than someone with a $4000+ custom bleeding edge rig that only plays a couple hours a week.

Quote from: Willie the Duck;1061770Tilting at windmills again, Pundey?

I see what you did there.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1061813You weren't a fan of Taken either were you?

I liked the first movie. The others were trash. There was a series too, but I lost interest after the first episode.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1061846I liked the first movie. The others were trash. There was a series too, but I lost interest after the first episode.

OK, I guess you have the correct opinion about that.

Quote from: fearsomepirate;1061776Chaucer really should have thought of that, the idiot.

Chaucer was OK.  It really started to go wrong with Robinson Crusoe and Moll Flanders.

Quote from: FeloniousMonk;1061782"I'm not a gatekeeper!"

"Check out my video where if you aren't playing RPGs this way, you're doing it wrong!"

We get it.

Telling people how they could run more awesome games is not gatekeeping. Telling people "they're fired from D&D" or to "Fuck off from the hobby" or that they need to be institutionalized for re-education therapy is Gatekeeping.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1061822Does it give them brain damage?

No. The modern education system has already done that job.