Quote from: Melan;1058940I will note that Varg Vikernes has recently posted a great video on his channel where he speaks about his admiration for old-school Basic D&D, and is entirely reasonable about it.

[video=youtube;uI03Q4mlXXc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI03Q4mlXXc[/youtube]

I will also note that no, I don't follow his channel otherwise, and was referred to it by friends. (What it does say about the people I associate with is, I suppose, sufficient for an indictment. )

You might want to look at the very next video in his queue. He is using D&D and roleplaying as vessels to promote racist ideas (and not racist in vague sense, but in the Nazi sense). And his game is also an expression of those ideas.

Actually I just remembered the case of Catalyst Game Labs and embezzlement.  That got me to stop buying their games.

Like when Pundit is so desperately flailing for attention that he attacks a gay DM who teaches at an all girls school who runs an all girls (8-11) game at said school... and the gay DM teacher has had zero communication with Pundit: https://twitter.com/kasimirurbanski/status/1047988621859536897?s=21

Does that qualify?

Quote from: KingCheops;1058968Actually I just remembered the case of Catalyst Game Labs and embezzlement.  That got me to stop buying their games.

I could deal with the embezzlement cause we have laws to deal with that stuff. I could even deal with Critias and the rest of the writers saying I'm a monster cause I supported Trump over Clinton.

But SR5 is a bad game. Combat is a mess, gear is a mess, and there's a massive amount of "3rd Edition was my fav, so let's regress".

Factor in that every supplement had less content than the previous edition's just so they could sell you a $20 pdf?

Fuck 'em. Not one DIME more.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1058971I could deal with the embezzlement cause we have laws to deal with that stuff. I could even deal with Critias and the rest of the writers saying I'm a monster cause I supported Trump over Clinton.

But SR5 is a bad game. Combat is a mess, gear is a mess, and there's a massive amount of "3rd Edition was my fav, so let's regress".

Factor in that every supplement had less content than the previous edition's just so they could sell you a $20 pdf?

Fuck 'em. Not one DIME more.

Ouch. I stopped following SR5 in the early days when the game first came out and, among other things, it was shown that having a literal red laser showing where your bullet was going to hit gave you no benefit at all unless you made your weapon hackable. I'm kinda glad to hear that the line turned out to be a mess after all the condescending remarks the devs made toward anyone who questioned their decisions with the new edition.

Quote from: Brand55;1058973Ouch. I stopped following SR5 in the early days when the game first came out and, among other things, it was shown that having a literal red laser showing where your bullet was going to hit gave you no benefit at all unless you made your weapon hackable. I'm kinda glad to hear that the line turned out to be a mess after all the condescending remarks the devs made toward anyone who questioned their decisions with the new edition.

I really should follow Pundit and Sammy and do a video on it for my channel. Because I coukd rant at length.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;1058958You might want to look at the very next video in his queue. He is using D&D and roleplaying as vessels to promote racist ideas (and not racist in vague sense, but in the Nazi sense). And his game is also an expression of those ideas.

I know. He is beyond the pale, which is why he has a following, and a roguish appeal. In the world of increasing thought policing, he is slowly becoming a rebel icon of sorts because he just speaks his mind and doesn't give a hoot. That's a big failure on part of society. It is also hilarious, because the thought police getting mud on xir face is always going to be funny.

Fortunately for people who dislike hard decisions, MYFAROG is junk even without the racism, so everyone can sleep easily. But what if it really was a work of creative genius? That would be inconvenient.

It really shows the danger of calling everyone a racist, Nazi, etc, because when someone comes along who actually is one, the words have lost all power.

Quote from: JeremyR;1058983It really shows the danger of calling everyone a racist, Nazi, etc, because when someone comes along who actually is one, the words have lost all power.

I wouldn't even had heard of the bastard if he wasn't constantly used as an example of why gaming is problematic.

Quote from: Melan;1058981I know. He is beyond the pale, which is why he has a following, and a roguish appeal. In the world of increasing thought policing, he is slowly becoming a rebel icon of sorts because he just speaks his mind and doesn't give a hoot. That's a big failure on part of society. It is also hilarious, because the thought police getting mud on xir face is always going to be funny.

Fortunately for people who dislike hard decisions, MYFAROG is junk even without the racism, so everyone can sleep easily. But what if it really was a work of creative genius? That would be inconvenient.

I think it is still possible to let people think for themselves and trust they will reach sane conclusions about a guy like Varg. Again, we are not talking about someone who has been painted with a broad brush. Nor are we talking about someone who has simply taken an unpopular political position in the hobby or made a game that people think is problematic in some convoluted way. I get there are rushes to judgment about things in the current climate and a lot of people are defensive because of that. But this is something where free thinking people should have an easy time understanding that Varg is talking about the kind of racism that has led to things like genocide in the past. And while I am all for people being able to turn over a new leaf, his extremely violent history and the fact that he has doubled down on this kind of ideology, should make it an easy case for people to judge. I think there are distinctions here people are losing the ability to make, and they are distinctions that matter.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1058971I supported Trump over Clinton.

Wait...WHAT?!

Quote from: JeremyR;1058983It really shows the danger of calling everyone a racist, Nazi, etc, because when someone comes along who actually is one, the words have lost all power.

Yes - eg if you look at Brendan's post above about Vikernes #115, it is entirely reasonable when applied to someone like Vikernes. But very similar language gets used all the time about people who are nothing like Vikernes. This makes it easy for the wolves to hide among the sheep, when the hunters can't distinguish the two.

Quote from: S'mon;1059008Yes - eg if you look at Brendan's post above about Vikernes #115, it is entirely reasonable when applied to someone like Vikernes. But very similar language gets used all the time about people who are nothing like Vikernes. This makes it easy for the wolves to hide among the sheep, when the hunters can't distinguish the two.

There is still another problem though. Varg isn't the only kind of bad racism that still exist. Maybe some people have broadened the spectrum too much, or place too much weigh on the lighter side of the spectrum. But there are still bad racist ideas people can embrace before they get to the level of Varg, and some people use Varg as cover for that.

Quote from: JeremyR;1058983It really shows the danger of calling everyone a racist, Nazi, etc, because when someone comes along who actually is one, the words have lost all power.

When someone says some else is a Nazi, I guess we should ask, "Do you mean in the 'heil-Hitler-kill-all-Jews' sense, or in the 'makes Rachel Maddow throw on-air tantrums' sense?"

Quote from: FeloniousMonk;1058969Like when Pundit is so desperately flailing for attention that he attacks a gay DM who teaches at an all girls school who runs an all girls (8-11) game at said school... and the gay DM teacher has had zero communication with Pundit: https://twitter.com/kasimirurbanski/status/1047988621859536897?s=21

Does that qualify?

Are you trolling? The chain shows him asking if boys were being excluded not that he was attacking him for being gay.