Quote from: Christopher Brady;1058615When it starts to bleed into their product and is written as if it's a 'truth'.  Green Ronin pissed me off when it came to the Freedom City and the stupidity of their Lady Liberty newest incarnation.  You're going to give a spirit of hope and justice (as I stay with the original Superman quote of 'Truth, Justice and the American Way') to a person who is likely mentally ill, commonly beset with depression and violent mood swings.  Right.  No.

Strike One.

Wait..what. I gave up pn Green Ronin with their hypocrisy of how they pointed fingers at others. Yet don't you dare accuse anyone of their own of wrongdoing. I found M&M 3E damage roll too swingy for my taste. Talk about ruining a Iconic chatacter of a rpg franchise  how the mighty have fallen indeed.

The hispanic transgender illegal version of Lady Liberty is something I will completely ignore. And if I ever use the setting, I will just put up the Lady Liberty mantle up as an available character origin. if someone would like to have it.

The character? It isn't a character. It isn't a person. It's a political statement that does as much damage to the transgender cause and condition as those who hate trans people do. It's not a help. It's a hurt.

Quote from: Lurtch;1058595Mike Mearls has been on a tear the last few weeks. He has now called people in the NRA terrorists on the level of ISIS members, said that if you like complexity in games that you're a gate keeping women hating evil person (igoring the irony that the game he is responsible for has a lot of complexity in it), and this week if you believe in due process that you're a rape apologist. This is in addition to firing people that he disagrees with politically from D&D.

Do you have a link? Not that I doubt you, I'd just like to read Mearl's latest. My guess is he is terrified, because he knows they are coming for him next.

I made a really long post on this subject, but ended up deleting it.  I had no idea I had a strong opinion on this.

 Basically, gaming is more important to me than politics.  People can say what they like, but when the game becomes hostile to the people who play it, I take issue with it and dont blame anyone for not wanting to be involved with it.

I'm glad I'm not on Twitter.

I'll normally ignore a game author's politics if it is not in their games. I make an exception for murderers & terrorists, as Kim says (Varg Vikernes didn't just murder a Satanist fellow band member, he also was part of a Satanist-paganist terrorist campaign burning Christian churches across Norway). I guess I'm leaning to not buying from supporters of terrorism either, which unfortunately includes a good swathe of the Left these days, plus the part of the Alt-Right that thinks Anders Breivik was a great guy (Vox Day is the one that comes to mind). I don't care if Mike Mearls hates the NRA and wants to ban members from playing D&D, unless he actually implemented that via the AL or something. If he was to tweet support for attacking Trump supporters ("Nazis"), then I guess I would avoid buying future products with his name on them. I wouldn't knowingly buy something written by an RPGnet moderator.

I separate Creator from Creation. Otherwise, I'd go nuts. I don't have the time or energy to figure out the sins of every author, director, singer that I enjoy.

However, I agree that EVERYONE should vote with their wallet for what you want to support. Though, I understand the conflict between buying something you love and giving money to someone who hates you. My solution for that is easy - buy it used.

That said, I haven't seen anything worthwhile created by the SJW brigade. Nothing WotC is publishing is worth my time, so its easy for me to skip giving them any money.

But FUCK MEARLS for his constant drive to cause division in the hobby and FUCK WOTC for supporting his antics.

I don't give a toss what an author's politics are or what they bleat about on social media. The only thing I care about is whether or not they write good products; if it's good I might buy it regardless of anything else, if it's bad I won't buy it. Forcibly inserting their politics into the game, regardless of where on the compass it falls, qualifies as "bad" in my view.

I stop buying them when they're shit (like d20 derived games) anything else is just white noise.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1058621The hispanic transgender illegal version of Lady Liberty is something I will completely ignore. And if I ever use the setting, I will just put up the Lady Liberty mantle up as an available character origin. if someone would like to have it.

The character? It isn't a character. It isn't a person. It's a political statement that does as much damage to the transgender cause and condition as those who hate trans people do. It's not a help. It's a hurt.

Agreed and seconded. Maybe it's just me yet I always figured Lady Liberty to be well a clone of Wonder Woman. Imagine if DC ever did the same turn WW into a mentally ill, suffers with depression and violent mood swings character. They would have a huge backlash against them from the fans imo. I guess the devs don't have a clue to what a character who is supposed to be a spirit of hope and justice really means.

I was already turned off by the mechanics of Pathfinder 2E. As well as becoming tired of the rpg edition wheel that keeps going on and on. I'm not stupid that will never end yet neither do I have to like or keep buying it. What I REALLY don't appreciate from Paizo is their get woke two page statement in the playtest core. Which essentially says I'm a terrible person for not being inclusive, diverse, and a full time psychiatrist at the game table. Written in such a antagonistic way imo. Picture a rpg dev taking down to a fan with plenty of finger poking and wagging and talking down to the fans not at the fans. Did I mention the whole thing is written in such a way that you WILL follow the advice on those two pages or else. I'm not against said advice. All they needed to do was essentially say " don't be a jerk, don't discriminate against players no matter their age, gender or race and make sure everyone is comfortable at your table and having fun". Instead not only do I have to be a expert on mental health I'm supposed to turn my table into a "safe space". To be fair many rpgs were always political to so extent. The devs had enough sense to be subtle about it most of the time without trying to alienate fans.

With Green Ronin, the text for the Blue Rose 2nd Edition Kickstarter campaign.

With Pelgrane Press, the publication of the #Feminism anthology.

I tend to not have to worry about this since extremist politics seem to eventually cause the work itself to be garbage.

5e's weird. The general construction isn't so much the issue as all the little execution faults. It's like someone knew how to make a good framework, but the line writers were barely competent.

When a creator's sociopolitical ideology is considered by them to be more important than their creation.

I had no problem with GenCon until they decided to involve themselves in local politics. I had no problem with Mike Mearls until he decided to claim that he could pick and choose who could play D&D based on his own sociopolitical identity. I had no problem with WotC and Organized Play until the sociopolitical identity of those in charge created a culture hostile to any interested gamer who was not woke with social justice.

I use to care more than I do today.  If you make a game I can enjoy with my friends then I'll give you money for that.  It's the same with my comics, books, music, movies, etc.  The minute your politics start to make the product less enjoyable (forcing it in, lecturing, whatever) is when I just go find something else.

That doesn't mean I don't buy products that have politics I disagree with in them.  If that's what the product is about or was in there from the beginning, then that's fine.  SIGMATA and Blue Rose are good examples of that in RPGs.  China Miéville also comes to mind for fiction I like.

The problem is when a product changes to accommodate the politics later on.  Marvel comics, Paizo, TBP are a great examples of that.  That's when I start spending elsewhere.  But it's not an all or nothing.  There are some Marvel comics I like that avoid the politics and I'll buy those.  If some mod at TBP makes a good RPG, instead of subverting an existing one, I might check it out.

Quote from: Lurtch;1058595said that if you like complexity in games that you're a gate keeping women hating evil person (igoring the irony that the game he is responsible for has a lot of complexity in it)

"It's bad that D&D is too complex for women."

I'm highly suspicious that wasn't what was said.  (EDIT: I mean, I'd laugh my ass off it was)