Actually, not quite.  He didn't care about her showing herself off, it's that she decided that she was better than the convention goers who would ogle her, quit her job as a WoTC booth girl, and then set up a patreon to beg for money.  Which was effectively whoring herself out.  This is what his video claims he was calling her out on.  Because she was, according to him, scamming a very vulnerable demographic (geeks and losers) into giving her money, which they (said geeks and losers) would believe that it might get them more images of her.

Then gets her job BACK.  And her patreon was still up last I checked, which was a couple of months ago.

Modeling isn't prostitution. If people want to pay someone to wear clothes (or not) and take pictures, I'm not seeing the problem.
 
Slut and whore are crappy words. And not because of "feels", because their definitions fall apart when used as slurs or insults.

Was she an opportunist targeting geeks? Sure, but that's pure capitalism.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1058173Modeling isn't prostitution. If people want to pay someone to wear clothes (or not) and take pictures, I'm not seeing the problem.

Begging money for images of oneself IS prostitution.  Which is not, by itself, a bad thing.  Although it has been turned into such a thing by puritanical women who are jealous of women who can get away with commanding more money than if they tried to show an ankle.
 

Quote from: Spinachcat;1058174Slut and whore are crappy words. And not because of "feels", because their definitions fall apart when used as slurs or insults.

It depends on who you ask, or what setting, as slut and whore can be come ons with certain people in certain situations.  And if I have to spell those out, you ain't old enough.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1058174Was she an opportunist targeting geeks? Sure, but that's pure capitalism.

Well, yes, but it's still scummy.  And it's still prostitution.  She's selling her body, whether physically or via images taken, ergo prostitution.  Which is a fully viable way of making money.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1058159Actually, not quite.  He didn't care about her showing herself off, it's that she decided that she was better than the convention goers who would ogle her, quit her job as a WoTC booth girl, and then set up a patreon to beg for money.  Which was effectively whoring herself out.  This is what his video claims he was calling her out on.  Because she was, according to him, scamming a very vulnerable demographic (geeks and losers) into giving her money, which they (said geeks and losers) would believe that it might get them more images of her.

Then gets her job BACK.  And her patreon was still up last I checked, which was a couple of months ago.

Really? I thought it went differently. If that is true then yeah she was acting poorly.

Still. Had Hambly been a woman calling her out she would have got an SJW award or something.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1058178Begging money for images of oneself IS prostitution.  Which is not, by itself, a bad thing.  Although it has been turned into such a thing by puritanical women who are jealous of women who can get away with commanding more money than if they tried to show an ankle.

So, actors charging for signed photos is prostitution?

Having a Patreon account is begging? I always thought of it as parallel to busking, and I never thought of buskers as beggers, since they are offering a service for which you pay if you appreciate it.

Are people who sell goods on RPG Now beggers if they price it as Pay What You Want?

Quote from: Omega;1058143Not quite. She was I believe just a cosplayer who was not shy about her own body and Hambly hilariously enough acted like a true SJW to slut shame her over it. Turns out he wasnt too far off the mark as she later scammed people, but it is still bemusing. Hambly then exposed various MTG judges for their criminal records and WOTC doubled down. Hambly has since been picking apart the SJWs relentlessly.

None of which would have happened had Hambly been a woman slut shaming that cosplayer and then outing those judges.

wasn't referring to anyone in particular, just changing a few words around.

Quote from: Baron Opal;1058201Are people who sell goods on RPG Now beggers if they price it as Pay What You Want?

yeah, I'm a slut, now buy my pdf...

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1058178Well, yes, but it's still scummy.  And it's still prostitution.  She's selling her body, whether physically or via images taken, ergo prostitution.  Which is a fully viable way of making money.

If you have a moral issue with it, go after the men willing to pay her and change their morals.  Both are tilting at windmills, so why not start with the one closer to home?

Hambly also pointed out that she specifically cosplayed as the hypersexualized pre-SJW versions of characters even when nasty ass SJW versions of the same character were available for cosplay.  So she specifically went for skin when there were no skin versions available.

It's definitely not prostitution and not slutty but it is getting pretty damn close to that line.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1058173Modeling isn't prostitution. If people want to pay someone to wear clothes (or not) and take pictures, I'm not seeing the problem.
 
Slut and whore are crappy words. And not because of "feels", because their definitions fall apart when used as slurs or insults.

Was she an opportunist targeting geeks? Sure, but that's pure capitalism.

No one is saying she shouldn't be allowed to act like she did. But other people are allowed to have their reactions to it (as long as they aren't preventing her from doing her thing), and are free to share those reactions with others who are interested in listening.

Likewise, if someone else doesn't like what that other person says, they may present their own rebuttal, as long as that rebuttal doesn't include a punch to the back of the head.

I always support everyone's free speech on every issue. As I've posted before, I worked as a porn editor back in college so I'm familiar with actual humans fucking for cash.  

My problem with "slut" and "whore" is there isn't an equivalent word in English for men who engage in the same behavior. They're stigma words. Also, "slut" and "whore" are traditionally focused on women fucking for fun or money, not just posing for pics. To me, there's something creepily puritanical to use those words against a cosplayer.

BTW, anyone have any links to her pics that caused all this uproar?

Quote from: Spinachcat;1058238BTW, anyone have any links to her pics that caused all this uproar?

I don't have the pics, but I have a link to a Sargon of Akkad vid he did.  Take or leave his opinion on this, but he does show the pics that are most often sited as the "offending" ones.

https://www.clip.fail/video/Ale7CrTIloI

Check out pic 1 at 3:25 and pic 2 at around 4:00.  Note pic 2 is animated and my understanding, which may be wrong, is that that is how she presented it, it's not being manipulated by someone else.

Side note about conventions.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1057985But judging cons in general for bang for your buck? Fuck GenCon. Go to a small regional convention run by gamers for gamers, not as a business.

My favorite con is PolyCon in San Luis Obispo, a town halfway between LA and SF on the Pacific Coast.
PolyCon is having their 37th year and about 250-300 attend and I've never had less than a truly wonderful happy time.
http://polycon.org/

Quote from: jeff37923;1057993Holy shit! That was the first gaming con I ever went to in High School! I got into a Snard Veck game which was a D&D parody of the Star Trek movies with a lot of really bad puns.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1058079Small world! I suspected you'd been there when you mentioned living in Santa Maria. I discovered PolyCon in the late 90s (can't freaking believe I didn't hear about it earlier). What years did you go? Also, did you travel north or south to cons? AKA, Pacificon or DundraCon  in the Bay Area or the Strategicon events in LA?

I'm pretty sure jhkim and I have crossed paths over the years at Bay Area cons. It would be funny if several more of us have "met" each other in the past.

Spinachcat - I totally agree about GenCon. It was interesting to go to once or twice, but I like my local conventions more even aside from the travel and expense of going to GenCon. I've only been to PolyCon once - in 2015. It was very good. But it's a trek for me when there are numerous good cons right next to me in the Bay Area (DunDraCon, KublaCon, Pacificon, and Big Bad Con).

My favorite convention, though, is AmberCon NorthWest in Portland in November.

http://www.amberconnw.org/

It's got a great community of people who come up with amazing creative ideas, and it's at a terrific location. A lot of cool diceless games, as well as more traditional diced RPGs.

GenCon was great when it was in Milwaukee but as a RPG gamer it's pretty shitty now.

Phoenix has great local cons too

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1058159her patreon was still up last I checked, which was a couple of months ago.

It's been down since 2017. Is there another one now?

Anyway, I believe literally crying for money on her #Patreon is what set the whole thing off, and Jeremy claiming cosplay was not a legitimate craft and had no place in the magic community didn't help any. Then the people of the internet took sides and pushed a narrative, and the rest is history.

I would hope both of them would do things differently now, especially Jeremy. Regardless none of their actions justify being harassed or assaulted, and the most tragic thing in all this is I suspect if Christine spoke up in Jeremy's defense here that she would be attacked by the very people who claimed to be her advocates.

I don't know her, but from what I've seen she strikes me as a reasonable and considerate person actually, so I hope she's doing well and is not too inconvenienced by those unearthing this shit over and over again to further their own agenda.