Quote from: Spinachcat;1057985Fuck GenCon. Go to a small regional convention run by gamers for gamers, not as a business.

My favorite con is PolyCon in San Luis Obispo, a town halfway between LA and SF on the Pacific Coast.
PolyCon is having their 37th year and about 250-300 attend and I've never had less than a truly wonderful happy time.
http://polycon.org/

Holy shit! That was the first gaming con I ever went to in High School! I got into a Snard Veck game which was a D&D parody of the Star Trek movies with a lot of really bad puns. I was in Smurfs for Spock in which the smurfs had kidnapped Spock and Kirk hired us to bring him back. We fought shit like a trash can with a black pudding inside which attacked when you took the lid off (a snack-pack black pudding) and these giant silvery ants that sang (adam-ant-ium ants). You could bring your most Monty Haul character because the whole thing was done for fun anyways. I loved that shit!

Quote from: Spinachcat;1057985I've done GenCon a few times and don't need (or want) their experience again. Also, I keep hearing coolness about DragonCon so that's my next big con.

Ive done gencon a few times myself, 5 times to be exact, and each time it got progressively worse. It's a long drive, it's expensive and overall its a collective mess. I prefer smaller local cons as well. This incident is just icing on the cake to never return.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1057789He was a known provocateur. He definitely was not an innocent party.

How does that logic work? He's just a YT pundit  attending a convention. His views should have no bearing on him being assaulted (free speech and all). Hambley did nothing wrong by paying for a ticket.

He didn't go there to screw with anyone. But he made a vid previously, saying that he didn't think Sarkesian should have been at GenCon.

Then Loter spits the dummy and attacks him from behind.... How is he not innocent?

Quote from: The Exploited.;1058061How does that logic work? He's just a YT pundit  attending a convention. His views should have no bearing on him being assaulted (free speech and all). Hambley did nothing wrong by paying for a ticket.

He didn't go there to screw with anyone. But he made a vid previously, saying that he didn't think Sarkesian should have been at GenCon.

Then Loter spits the dummy and attacks him from behind.... How is he not innocent?

He was guilty of WrongThink and WronSpeech.  Once someone punches you for being a Nazi, you are a Nazi.

I'd like to see the new GenCon. My experience was GenCon from the mid 90s to 2000 and was overall pretty good.

Quote from: WillInNewHaven;1058062He was guilty of WrongThink and WronSpeech.  Once someone punches you for being a Nazi, you are a Nazi.

Seems that way alright... If you're not explicitly an SJW then you are a filthy Nazi!! Who should have been hung at Nuremberg.

There are no shades of gray in the world, eh?

Quote from: tenbones;1057953Because it's a quasi-religious ideology that above all other considerations justifies itself according to only what further's the ideology and its adherents. Not any particular principle. Those are just "things to say" when needed. When not needed, they're uniformly ignored. If you confront them with the hypocrisy of their actions vs. precedent or words, they label you a monster and censor you. In many cases, such as this, they come after you and justify it.

After all you are a monster.

Rinse/repeat.

You just gave me chills, hoss.

VS

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1057992This precedent is so bad we need to let it stink on its own, not fuel the flames and give the people who made it justification for doing so.

But that doesn't provide me Maximum LoLz!!!

Quote from: jeff37923;1057993Holy shit! That was the first gaming con I ever went to in High School!

Small world! I suspected you'd been there when you mentioned living in Santa Maria. I discovered PolyCon in the late 90s (can't freaking believe I didn't hear about it earlier). What years did you go? Also, did you travel north or south to cons? AKA, Pacificon or DundraCon  in the Bay Area or the Strategicon events in LA?

I'm pretty sure jhkim and I have crossed paths over the years at Bay Area cons. It would be funny if several more of us have "met" each other in the past.

Quote from: NYTFLYR;1058060Ive done gencon a few times myself, 5 times to be exact, and each time it got progressively worse. It's a long drive, it's expensive and overall its a collective mess. I prefer smaller local cons as well. This incident is just icing on the cake to never return.

It's ROI.  If the "GenCon Exprience" (or Comic Con, etc) is deemed important, then all the attendant bullshit becomes worth dealing with. However, once you've had The Experience just once or a few times, then everyone does their ROI on how much the attendant bullshit is worth vs. The Experience.

Koltar really enjoys GenCon and he'd be a good person to discuss why he finds the attendant bullshit worth it for him.

For me, the ROI for small cons is far better, but I acknowledge Big Cons have some events and experiences you won't find at Small Cons.

Quote from: WillInNewHaven;1058062Once someone punches you for being a Nazi, you are a Nazi.

Exactly! If someone accuses you of something, you did it.

That's logic in 2018.

Quote from: Omega;1057918It makes me wonder just how much WOTC is pulling the strings still at GenCon despite apparently not having much presence at GenCon?

I don't think WOTC has any influence or even contact with GenCon anymore. In fact, GenCon likely actively dislikes WOTC for WOTC deciding to promote PAX over them.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1057789He was a known provocateur. He definitely was not an innocent party.

She was a known slut. She definitely was not an innocent party.

Quote from: NYTFLYR;1058102She was a known slut. She definitely was not an innocent party.

Oh how horrible!  Perhaps we ought to bring back chastity belts.

Quote from: TJS;1058105Oh how horrible!  Perhaps we ought to bring bach chastity belts.

I don't where we would go chopin for them.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1058109I don't where we would go chopin for them.

Ok, that was funny.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1058079Small world! I suspected you'd been there when you mentioned living in Santa Maria. I discovered PolyCon in the late 90s (can't freaking believe I didn't hear about it earlier). What years did you go? Also, did you travel north or south to cons? AKA, Pacificon or DundraCon  in the Bay Area or the Strategicon events in LA?

I'm pretty sure jhkim and I have crossed paths over the years at Bay Area cons. It would be funny if several more of us have "met" each other in the past.

I'd go down towards CalPoly between 1985 and 1987 as part of Zen Room (Rocky Horror Picture Show live cast) and one weekend PolyCon was happening, so I made it over there before the show to check it out. It was pretty awesome for my teenage self.

I pretty much only went as far as Santa Barbara one way and San Luis Obispo the other way, mainly as part of Zen Room, so PolyCon was the only one I ever got to go to at that age.

Quote from: NYTFLYR;1058102She was a known slut. She definitely was not an innocent party.

Not quite. She was I believe just a cosplayer who was not shy about her own body and Hambly hilariously enough acted like a true SJW to slut shame her over it. Turns out he wasnt too far off the mark as she later scammed people, but it is still bemusing. Hambly then exposed various MTG judges for their criminal records and WOTC doubled down. Hambly has since been picking apart the SJWs relentlessly.

None of which would have happened had Hambly been a woman slut shaming that cosplayer and then outing those judges.