Razor, here's my TL;DR on the incident. Everybody else, feel free to correct me as its been a while.

THE BACKSTORY
The Victim (Hambly) and Attacker (Dickless McBitch) are both mouthy YouTubers.
Hambly did some kind of expose of convicted sexual predators within WotC's Org Play for the Magic CCG.
Hambly got into some kind of online pissing match over a cosplayer who was using cosplay to make cash for herself.
Somewhere along the line, WotC banned Hambly for maybe real, maybe fake reasons we can all fight over.
Attacker (Dickless McBitch) is a SJW who apparently boasts about having previously attacked people with opposing political opinions.
McBitch allegedly boasts that he's a kung fu ninja with more mad skillz than Napoleon Dynamite
McBitch posts that he will hurt anyone who isn't happy with Anita Sarkessian as GenCon's Guest of Honor.
Anita is the SJW darling of GamerGate who parlayed her SJW bullshit into a career.

THE MAIN EVENT
McBitch is at GenCon to promote his new boardgame.
As an utter coincidence, I'm a playtester and know the publisher, but I never met McBitch.
Hambly was at a bar near GenCon. This is important. The incident did not happen at GenCon's site.
McBitch sneaks up on Hambly at the bar and punches him repeatedly.
Hambly does not fight back and retreats.
McBitch breaks a window in the bar as he escapes.
The next day, GenCon tweets out a special promotion offer for McBitch's boardgame.
That may have been a crazy coincidence as well.

AND THE INTERWEBS GO BOOM!
Oddly, this story gets far more social media attention than Sarkessian.

THE END RESULT
Hambly spews on YouTube and files his assault report with the police and seeks legal help.
McBitch apparently goes silent online, but got fired from some gig for being a douche.
Time passes.
GenCon bans Hambly and maybe bans Dickless McBitch as well.

This part of the timeline is a bit off.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1057861Razor, here's my TL;DR on the incident. Everybody else, feel free to correct me as its been a while.

THE BACKSTORY

Hambly did some kind of expose of convicted sexual predators within WotC's Org Play for the Magic CCG.
Hambly got into some kind of online pissing match over a cosplayer who was using cosplay to make cash for herself.
Somewhere along the line, WotC banned Hambly for maybe real, maybe fake reasons we can all fight over.

He got in a 'pissing match' with a cosplayer first.  She reported him to WoTC for 'harassment', then WoTC banned him from all things official Magic: The Gathering because of it.  So he retaliated by doing basic background checks on various Judges for Magic, turns out quite a few of them have records for sexual predator charges and exposed them publicly.

I wonder how "Fantastic" Loter feels now?

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1057867This part of the timeline is a bit off.

He got in a 'pissing match' with a cosplayer first.  She reported him to WoTC for 'harassment', then WoTC banned him from all things official Magic: The Gathering because of it.  So he retaliated by doing basic background checks on various Judges for Magic, turns out quite a few of them have records for sexual predator charges and exposed them publicly.

Up to this point, WotC did not background check their judges so this was a huge black eye for MtG (WotC still does not background check their judges, instead claiming that it is the venue's responsibility). Now, all of the fanbois who were heartbroken that the cosplayer left, are now extra mad at Hambly because he is harming the reputation of Their Favorite Game - real harassment ensues against Hambly (doxxing, death threats, etc).

How fair is this? You get attacked at GenCon and then get banned from it.

GenCon you sound like a shower of wankers to me.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1057809I have never once said the attack was justified.

It's my belief that the attacker belongs behind bars for the attack.

However. The situation is and was made more complex by Hambly's being banned from their events by WOTC. GenCon should have been made aware of that by WOTC. And GenCon should have acted far before the violence had a chance to happen.

The fact that they allowed the attacker to still attend GenCon after his history of violence there was grossly negligent on their part.

And I flat out refuse to discuss whether Hambly's ban from WOTC events was justified or not. The fact the ban exists at all is enough for me.

And so, a major corporation (within this tiny piece of the economy) gets to make decisions for the rest of us. Utter bullshit.

Yeah, I already blogged about this yesterday after I saw Jeremy's video on the GenCon ban.  Literally the straw that broke the camel's back.  If GenCon somehow "made it right" going forward, I was probably going to let it slide that they dropped the ball immediately after (and then a couple weeks after) the attack happened.  But now this?!?  GenCon has to get out of the SJW business before Venger Satanis steps a foot inside.

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It makes me wonder just how much WOTC is pulling the strings still at GenCon despite apparently not having much presence at GenCon?

GenCon's loss really. Older gamers like myself, probably spend a lot more money over the course of a convention than the knuckleheads they pander to.

But that's the price of practicing their religion.

I don't "do" big conventions but GC was always on my bucket list...not anymore.  It's clear they're OK with people getting the shit kicked out of them for stepping off the leftist/liberal/SJW plantation, and what's good for the goose is NOT good for the gander, so fuck them, fuck Peter Adkinson, and fuck GenCon.

Quote from: VengerSatanis;1057917Yeah, I already blogged about this yesterday after I saw Jeremy's video on the GenCon ban.  Literally the straw that broke the camel's back.  If GenCon somehow "made it right" going forward, I was probably going to let it slide that they dropped the ball immediately after (and then a couple weeks after) the attack happened.  But now this?!?  GenCon has to get out of the SJW business before Venger Satanis steps a foot inside.

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That's ok.  You probably didn't ever go anyway and good riddance if you did.  At least, that's what TBP is saying about anyone claiming they won't go anymore because of this.

It's really funny how when the narrative gets flipped it just doesn't matter anymore.  What happened to "believe the victim" and how about "there is no such thing as a 'fake' geek".  Wouldn't it be nice to just get back to playing stupid elfgames and having fun instead of having to pass some purity test to see who's allowed at which table?

Quote from: The Exploited.;1057900How fair is this? You get attacked at GenCon and then get banned from it.

GenCon you sound like a shower of wankers to me.

I suspect it's more to do with his Wrong Think than embarrassing them with the whole assault thing. Either way, they've taken a shotgun to their already bleeding foot.

Quote from: rgalex;1057951t's really funny how when the narrative gets flipped it just doesn't matter anymore.  What happened to "believe the victim" and how about "there is no such thing as a 'fake' geek".  Wouldn't it be nice to just get back to playing stupid elfgames and having fun instead of having to pass some purity test to see who's allowed at which table?

Something, something, (perceived) Nazis shouldn't be given the same rights as everybody else, therefore if you defend Hambly you're supporting Alt-Right/MRA/Nazis/Drumpf.

And you're not a Nazi, are you? That would be unfortunate.

Quote from: rgalex;1057951That's ok.  You probably didn't ever go anyway and good riddance if you did.  At least, that's what TBP is saying about anyone claiming they won't go anymore because of this.

It's really funny how when the narrative gets flipped it just doesn't matter anymore.  What happened to "believe the victim" and how about "there is no such thing as a 'fake' geek".  Wouldn't it be nice to just get back to playing stupid elfgames and having fun instead of having to pass some purity test to see who's allowed at which table?

Because it's a quasi-religious ideology that above all other considerations justifies itself according to only what further's the ideology and its adherents. Not any particular principle. Those are just "things to say" when needed. When not needed, they're uniformly ignored. If you confront them with the hypocrisy of their actions vs. precedent or words, they label you a monster and censor you. In many cases, such as this, they come after you and justify it.

After all you are a monster.

Rinse/repeat.

If GenCon is on your bucket list, do GenCon at some point. Just so you have The GenCon Experience.

But judging cons in general for bang for your buck? Fuck GenCon. Go to a small regional convention run by gamers for gamers, not as a business.

My favorite con is PolyCon in San Luis Obispo, a town halfway between LA and SF on the Pacific Coast.
PolyCon is having their 37th year and about 250-300 attend and I've never had less than a truly wonderful happy time.
http://polycon.org/

I've done GenCon a few times and don't need (or want) their experience again. Also, I keep hearing coolness about DragonCon so that's my next big con.

Quote from: rgalex;1057951Wouldn't it be nice to just get back to playing stupid elfgames and having fun instead of having to pass some purity test to see who's allowed at which table?

Nope, we are all stuck in the Paranoia LARP now!

On a serious note, I still believe (maybe mistakenly) that the 24/7 SJW bullshit is an online and MSM phenomenon. Even in LA, I can easily gather a group of people of varied backgrounds and beliefs and when I say "let's STFU and game", they are really happy to STFU and game.

I have a SJW gaming acquaintance who recently told me about his outrage fatigue. He's exhausted not only from hating Trump 24/7 and dealing with all his TDS issues, but because he's fatigued, he's not getting outraged enough to please his fellow SJWs on his Facebook. He doesn't have the energy for the level of clickbait activism being demanded by SJWs who do FB 24/7. So when I suggest we toss dice, he's absolutely thrilled to spend a few hours away in fantasy land.

Oh...and he quietly fucking HATES what happened at GenCon. He's a decent dude and can't stand the idea that anyone got attacked on their vacation just for their political beliefs, regardless how "wrong" they may be.

And for that, I threatened to report his heresy to the thought police!

So was he banned for posts/videos he made before or after the attack? Because if it was before, then they should never have allowed him to attend in the first place. But if it was after, then they're literally banning him for inciting his own attack, which is an incredibly dangerous ruling to make.

At least it's clear now that GenCon will ban you for off site behavior, which doesn't break any specific rules, or even take place during the event. So all those claiming this wasn't GenCon's problem because it happened at a bar can shut up.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1057781It's all GenCon could do to avoid future liability.

Liability for what exactly?

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1057781The fact he was allowed to attend the convention in the first place was just begging for trouble.

What kind of trouble?

Is he a threat to women and children? No. Does he harass people at the convention? No. Did he troll Anita's panel there? No. Does he incite people to attack him?

Ahh, there we go.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1057789Hambly had been banned from all WOTC events. He was a known provocateur. He definitely was not an innocent party.

Then what exactly was he guilty of?

Quote from: jeff37923;1057798so GenCon (not a subdivision of WotC) should have pre-emptively banned Hambly because why?

Quote from: Ras Algethi;1057799His safety of course!

Funny how this excuse only ever applies to people like Jeremy, and not the many women who claim these events are unsafe for them.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1057800He violated their terms of service. Regarding online harassment.

No. He didn't.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1057802I'm not your encyclopedia. And I am not your servant.

And yet here you are, taking the time to post all these spurious arguments.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1057809And I flat out refuse to discuss whether Hambly's ban from WOTC events was justified or not. The fact the ban exists at all is enough for me.

Ah, a true authoritarian I see. Innocence or guilt are irrelevant. As long as those in power have made a decision, it doesn't matter why, and you refuse to even consider the question.

I guess we should be worried about Nazis after all.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1057836Hambly should troll GenCon.

No. No he should not.

This precedent is so bad we need to let it stink on its own, not fuel the flames and give the people who made it justification for doing so.

Quote from: jeff37923;1057873Up to this point, WotC did not background check their judges

They still don't. They pushed that responsibility onto the stores and conventions which host their events.

Quote from: rgalex;1057951It's really funny how when the narrative gets flipped it just doesn't matter anymore.

Yeah, isn't it?

Even funnier though is how often they attack each other.