Honestly, it'll probably help me.

Going "Woke" is a surefire way to drive more people away from Official D&D and into similar systems without such drivel... such as the one I'm putting the finishing touches on.

The OSR experience is pretty well covered already, but if unified mechanics, tighter math, lots of character options, tactical combat and monsters with interesting abilities (though you'll have to look elsewhere for narrative-based mechanics) appeal to you; I'll have all that to offer without any SJW baggage dragging it down.

It's one of the key reasons I never bought into 5E D&D, tied with 'why drop $100 on a system when I can roll my own out of Basic, 2E, and/or C&C?'

Paizo long ago lost me due to their daemonophilia and doubling-down on 3.5, a rules set I haven't had any time for in years. If I want that kind of complexity, I'll go with HERO and get the increased flexibility and transparency with considerably less progressive material in the products.

Pelgrane and Green Ronin ... those are the companies that did actively lose my business due to their doubling-down on the progressive agenda. I'm willing to accept that I might be oversensitive, but I think they really don't want someone like me as a fan of their material.

It will mean my plans to buy a few core pieces of 5E stuff as gifts over the next year will go out the window.  I already have the core stuff from them, and that's all WotC produces that I have any interest in owning.  That's from someone happily running two 5E home brew campaigns.  I like the stuff I do with the core 5E far better than anything they have done with it.

Even if Paizo wasn't political at all, if they delivered their full catalog to me tomorrow, free, I'd unload the stuff straight from their truck to the garbage can.   I have negative interest in anything PF (or 3E/3.5 related, for that matter).  "Zero interest" would radically understate the situation.

I actually really like the Core 3 D&D 5E books, plus Volo's and Xanathar's.  This combined product offering was a heck of a rebound from the previous edition's failure to gain enough traction in the market.  Congratulations for finding a way to make lots of people happy, or at least happier...

What concerns me, is the journey I believe both 5E and PF are about to embark upon.  It may just become a frothing competition to prove which company "Cares" more about the overly sensitive creampuffs in today's society.  Hey folks, this is SILLY!!!  Haha!!!

I won't buy any Paizo material post 2012. Would be different if they'd put a content advisory on stuff but they don't so I won't.

I guess I could imagine doing the same with post 2017 WoTC since they do now seem to be on the same downward slope as Paizo ca 2010-2012.

I think that in terms of "inclusiveness" D&D 5th was just right and PF Playtest is too heavy-handed.  In any case while my playtest group likes 2nd Edition in play, the text is that much more awkward gamespeak than original Pathfinder, and if anything kills sales, it will be the idea that the game is harder to grasp than the Pathfinder system that everybody knows.  But I gave up attaching myself to the paradigm that RPGs must be D&D/D20-based quite some time ago, so if company management becomes insufferable, I have other options.

JG

Wouldn't affect me in the least, I don't buy stuff from them and neither does anyone else in my gaming group.

I should also say that from my perspective; the Pathfinder CRB, APG, and UM are a versatile product offering too.  I'm neither anti D&D, nor anti Pathfinder.  I just hate to see either, or both teams make a mad dash to market their wares wholesale to the Creampuffs of society.  Don't they realize that will alienate a portion of their existing fan base?  You know, people who are already supporting their salaries...

I stopped buying Paizo in 2013. Not because of politics (because I really don't buy/not buy things for political reasons), but because I didn't like the rules bloat of Pathfinder. I've made one exception--the Starfinder Core--but I regret that purchase and have not bought anything further in the line.

WOTC, Paizo, and the scrub-tier orgs who orbit them can all die in a fire for all I care. I've got enough for the rest of my days.

I have to appreciate where their hearts are at, even if the execution is somewhat... over emphasized?

It's a pendulum of sociology. Things swing to extremes until eventually things calm down and level-out. Hopefully, the melodrama will give way to actual inclusivity and the respectful treatment of all gamers regardless of race, religion or sexuality. Once the CTRL-LEFT's hatred and vitriol fade away, and the ALT-RIGHT's hatred and vitriol fade away... I imagine we will be left with a nice middle ground of people who give a shit about fun play, fun environments to play in, and awesome products that inspire fun play.

If we stop circling the wagons at each assumed sleight, if we relax and focus on what's important, these fires will die out. Posts like this only fuel the fires. People from across the InterTubes seek out this hand-wringing and delight in your concern.

Don't fret. Play the games you love with the people you respect. Have fun. This too shall pass.

Would affect me to the tune of zilch, zero, not at all. If I wanted to play a fantasy game, I'd go with an OSR or Palladium Fantasy.

Quote from: Razor 007;1057376How will that impact your purchasing decisions, and your gaming choices?

(I ran out of character space in the thread title.)

Why would I give them any of my very limited entertainment funds when I could be buying more ACKS? Or any OSR for that matter?

I don't care one whit about the politics of any game company; never have, never will. I buy games that I like because they're games I want to play. I no longer play 5th, and I no longer play Pathfinder. I play OSR games because they're better, better, better, better, better, better

Everything linked is something I vouch for; I own it, I've used it at the table, and it's of universally higher quality and utility than anything I've ever purchased for D&D since buying 3rd edition (and I own and have ran every edition between then and now, 3.5 and fifth included) and Pathfinder (which I do not own, but have ran over a 1st-15th level campaign).

So let 'em do whatever they want. They lost me as a customer years ago, when I found a thriving movement of creators making something I want to play much more

Quote from: Azraele;1057444Why would I give them any of my very limited entertainment funds when I could be buying more ACKS? Or any OSR for that matter?

I don't care one whit about the politics of any game company; never have, never will. I buy games that I like because they're games I want to play. I no longer play 5th, and I no longer play Pathfinder. I play OSR games because they're better, better, better, better, better, better

Everything linked is something I vouch for; I own it, I've used it at the table, and it's of universally higher quality and utility than anything I've ever purchased for D&D since buying 3rd edition (and I own and have ran every edition between then and now, 3.5 and fifth included) and Pathfinder (which I do not own, but have ran over a 1st-15th level campaign).

So let 'em do whatever they want. They lost me as a customer years ago, when I found a thriving movement of creators making something I want to play much more

I appreciate what you are saying about the OSR.  When I purchased my first OSR game, White Box FMAG; and I compared that to all editions of D&D which came out after OD&D: I wondered why anyone ever enjoyed the ever increasing complexity?  I just want to roll dice and have fun.  I don't want to pour over a set of encyclopedias every time I level up.  Just give me an ASI and let's move along.

OSR material does tend to be of higher quality IME than most other offerings; I'm not really sure exactly why that is. I use 80%-90% OSR material in all my FRPG campaigns, certainly including 5e. 5e has enough of an OSR tone that they work very well together. I am somewhat tempted to just use say Swords & Wizardry, which I am running occasionally (along with OSRIC), but standardising my Meetup on 5e D&D has worked very well and maximises accessibility for new players.

Edit: I guess if WoTC took things to Paizo levels to such an extent that new players were turning up looking for "D&D - The Social Justice RPG" then I would probably scrap my 5e-specific Meetup and run OSR instead.  I'm paying money every month to Meetup.com to support 5e D&D and get dozens of people playing it and buying 5e books. I might have to reconsider my life choices.