Quote from: Ratman_tf;1051637"Whataboutism" is no good defense of double standards and tribalism.

Present the evidence that Hambly's allegations are true.

I will say that there is a GREAT GOOD coming out of this because all of Hambly's Gamergater followers are vowing to boycott GenCon forever, and that is a GOOD THING!

Quote from: Xyxox;1051639Present the evidence that Hambly's allegations are true.

I'm not claiming Hambly's allegations are true. We will see as more evidence comes in or not.
I pointed out the double standard of "believing the victim" (a common mantra that seems to apply mainly to white women and some minority women) and dismissing Hambly's claims.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1051640I'm not claiming Hambly's allegations are true. We will see as more evidence comes in or not.
I pointed out the double standard of "believing the victim" (a common mantra that seems to apply mainly to white women and some minority women) and dismissing Hambly's claims.

I deny such a double standard exists. Believe it if you like.

Quote from: Xyxox;1051636Whataboutism doesn't come into play here.

Edited to add that there was also corroborating evidence for Sprankle's allegations of harassment in the form of Hambly videos taken down by YouTube for violating their harassment policy.

You're a liar. That isn't why the videos were taken down. It was a copyright claim and not harrasment you lying piece of shit.

Quote from: Xyxox;1051641I deny such a double standard exists. Believe it if you like.

That's because you're a disingenuous piece of filth.

Quote from: Lurtch;1051643That's because you're a disingenuous piece of filth.

Present the evidence that Hambly was attacked. I'm waiting, but don't go looking for Hambly's videos about the alleged attack because the vile GG scammer has already taken them down.

Quote from: Xyxox;1051639I will say that there is a GREAT GOOD coming out of this because all of Hambly's Gamergater followers are vowing to boycott GenCon forever, and that is a GOOD THING!

"Everyone I disagree with is a Nazi and it is OK to punch Nazis!"

You had only 3 posts here over a period of 8 years before this thread. Yet this calls you to action?

Quote from: jeff37923;1051654"Everyone I disagree with is a Nazi and it is OK to punch Nazis!"

You had only 3 posts here over a period of 8 years before this thread. Yet this calls you to action?

And it took you only one post to put words in my mouth that I never said.

I saw this guy's videos on Youtube. He's been a trouble magnet. Egging on the people he is opposed to at every opportunity. This guy is in no way an innocent. He's a provocateur.

That in no way justifies the attack on him. His attacker is as bad as he is. They both deserve to be banned for life from GenCon.

Quote from: KingCheops;1051612Finally, for those defending GenCon with the whole "It happened off GenCon grounds" how do you feel about a woman getting assaulted (let's just say physically for comparison sake) at an after party at a nightclub and then allowing the identified abuser to run a booth the next day at the convention?

On this board, where it's widely accepted that more than half of all assault reports by women are made up? I'd expect even more support for GenCon. I'm kinda impressed that this forum has kept as open a mind about the whole thing as it has, since social justice warriors are even more hated here than women.

I miss the days when this sort of political thread only turned up in the Pundit's forum. There were a few times in the past where almost all of the posting at theRPGsite was in the political threads there; moving them into the main forum has not been an improvement. And I think this thread is somewhat off-topic for this forum; GenCon's involvement and the industry significance of the people actually involved are all so minor that it hardly qualifies as "industry events or gossip".

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1051656I saw this guy's videos on Youtube. He's been a trouble magnet. Egging on the people he is opposed to at every opportunity. This guy is in no way an innocent. He's a provocateur.

That in no way justifies the attack on him. His attacker is as bad as he is. They both deserve to be banned for life from GenCon.

We have yet to establish there was an actual attack. If established, I would agree with you. If not established, only Hambly should be banned.

Quote from: Xyxox;1051655And it took you only one post to put words in my mouth that I never said.

So this is what? Your denial of saying that it was OK for Hambly to be physically attacked because you don't like him? Explain how that attitude of yours is different from "Everyone I disagree with is a Nazi and it is OK to punch Nazis!"

Quote from: jeff37923;1051659So this is what? Your denial of saying that it was OK for Hambly to be physically attacked because you don't like him? Explain how that attitude of yours is different from "Everyone I disagree with is a Nazi and it is OK to punch Nazis!"

I have never once said that Hambly deserved to be attacked. I have only questioned whether the moron was attacked as he alleges.

Quote from: Xyxox;1051604Link?

I wish. He has locked off his comments. But so far is not denying he did it either. Which is rather telling.

Quote from: S'mon;1051575This isn't the 1870s USA you know.

Dude, lynchings are happening even now. Hang on, here:

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/03/us/washington-teen-ben-keita-hanging/index.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-investigates-willie-andrew-jones-jr-hanging-black-man-tree-mississippi/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/09/13/8-year-old-boy-was-hung-from-rope-by-n-h-teenagers-because-of-his-race-family-says/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b51475fe56a8

(that last one could have been me when I was a kid...)

This is just on random google search, it's still happening year-on-year...

Quote from: Spinachcat;1051585Trump's usual 40% approval rating tells us his supporters don't give a fuck about his "shady crap".

Much how MoveOn.org was created because large numbers of Democrats didn't care about Slick Willy's "shady crap" either.

Why would his supporters want him to pay for his bullshit in the first place? Come on man, use your loaf...

Actually, on that note, it's worse than that because they are the base that are actively being fucked by his policies...

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1051592https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_bDc7FfItk

Watch Hidden Colors. I recommend #4, then #3. Get educated on the reality of how the modern anglosphere was created.

Quote from: Claudius;1051593I cannot let this go unanswered:

https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/south-africa-farm-attacks-brutal-crimes-landowners-face/news-story/dfaabafca743056b6d6656ea1fff49eb

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.za/2018/06/12/malema-we-have-not-called-for-the-killing-of-white-people-at-least-for-now_a_23456601/

Will you now admit that it is a thing, or will you make up some feeble excuses?

Here, get educated: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/24/business/south-africa-economy-apartheid.html

South Africa is still controlled by wealthy, white landowners and dynasties who maintain the power structure present during apartheid. It's great that black south africans aren't being made to dance naked in prison yards, beaten to within an inch of their lives for using the "wrong" facilities and thrown in 8x4" cells if they dare to say "no" but that's, like, less than the basics.

In the modern day, outside of Cape Town, SA's a shithole in general and because only the wealthy and connected whites truly benefited from apartheid, now you have a first generation of whites who live in a similar level of poverty that blacks suffered in for multiple generations because the racist power structure considered them ultimately expendable. And yet, many of this same generation would say "yeah, we deserve it" because now they have experienced a fraction of the horror of the end results of racist power structures. Whites betray their own kind so quickly and yet there are so many lower down the socio-economic ladder that so passionately believe in white supremacy that they blind themselves to it. It's really fucking sad but nobody should feel bad because whites brought it on themselves -- they always do.

What's crazy (though not surprising) is how many white posters here have been taken in by the Great White Lie. Like dudes, unless you're at least comfortably upper middle class (and that would mean your annual household income is between $150/200k to $500k), you're not special bro. It's the big reason MLK got taken out: he was starting to bring lower-class whites into the movement in a big way which would have decimated the entire poli-economic structure of the United States that, from its very inception, was fundamentally built up from the blood and labor of stolen west africans.

Quote from: WillInNewHaven;1051609From PrometheanVigil: "I live what I say man. I've been in enough trouble and fights (some of them pretty bad) growing up that if I didn't make a change much earlier in my life, I probably never would have gotten into RPGs when I got into em' because I never would have gotten to uni. Some of the worst were when I stood up for others or against racism because I was stupid enough at the time to think it standing up for others who can't fight for themselves or against racist cunts is a good idea."

"Growing up" is a key term here. Kids get in fights but grownups get in much more trouble. As for the rest, I was a kid from small-town Alabama who went on freedom marches in the Sixties. We weren't supposed to even hit back.. And I think that did more for racial tolerance than all of your white-knight virtue signalling. And there is _nothing_ that I can find out about The Quartering that makes him a "racist cunt."

When they're pulling knives on each other for stupid shit like mobile phones ('cause that's how we interacted with each other circa mid-00s London) or because you won't let them call your darker-skinned friend a slur, yeah, no, they're getting time in a young offenders lockup. I wish I could say I stopped fighting when I hit uni... 'cept gradually its turned from physical to more social, tactical-like. Because, you know, I had (and continue to have) shit to lose.

I would like to think that your march did do something but ultimately, Alabama is still one of the worst states (some would argue the worst) for Black people to live and work. And of course you were told not to hit back: it kills any sympathy those marches were meant to drum up in the media. And I wish I could be virtue signalling, it seems like a pretty nice life -- bit fake though -- to lead these days. But I'm just that kinda of guy who actually means what he says and deconstructs bullshit where it rears its ugly head -- maybe I should turncoat?

Where did I call Hambly a racist? I'm really not understanding these repeated plays of statement decomposition + fabrication from multiple posters. It's just bad faith. If your position doesn't stand on its own, then deal with it and move on.