Quote from: PencilBoy99;1048132What about the original article. It seems like just someone with very rigid and elaborate ideology interpreting stuff in ways that meet his worldview. Are the new WW crew actually part of a neo-Nazi party?

Would be news to me if they were. This article is just one more loon in a vast sea of insane that is the SJW mob.

Quote from: Sergeant Brother;1048145There are numerous RPG's out there written by leftists that push left wing ideology. White Wolf has been doing that for decades. I think it might be refreshing to see a right wing RPG. Not that I demand one, I'm fine if my games are ideologically neutral. Though if there was an RPG that was right wing, I'd buy it.

Brother, let me tell you about ACKS....

Quote from: Sergeant Brother;1048145There are numerous RPG's out there written by leftists that push left wing ideology. White Wolf has been doing that for decades. I think it might be refreshing to see a right wing RPG. Not that I demand one, I'm fine if my games are ideologically neutral. Though if there was an RPG that was right wing, I'd buy it.

The hilarious thing is that it appears they still are pursuing a left wing perspective..

It seems they're just not doing it in the right way, or using the right language to keep America's neo-puritan faux-left happy.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1048107. Lovecraft's contemporaries were quite disturbed by his statements, if that is worth repeating, but then again he lived in New England. His views might have been normal in the South at the time, but not the North at the time.

No, Lovecraft had views that were literally xenophobic - a terror of the other. They bore very little resemblance to contemporary racist views in the Southern USA from what I can tell, and only slightly more resemblance to the views of Northerners.

Quote from: ThatChrisGuy;1048128Man, what?  As much as I can tell neither of those guys are far enough to the right to even be called "center-left."

Someone just linked above to Raggi linking to Zak going all SocJus on The Escapist for hiring someone with unapproved views. It is hilarious the approved SJWs are calling him a Nazi now - but also defamatory. I expect Reinhagen is much the same, but apparently he's not keen on Antifa violence (because it's bad for the Left) - which makes him Literal Hitler to the SJWs.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1048129This is explained in the article that I linked to.

OK, lets say that your argument and evidence support that Lovecraft was a racist. Why should we care?

Quote from: PencilBoy99;1048132What about the original article. It seems like just someone with very rigid and elaborate ideology interpreting stuff in ways that meet his worldview. Are the new WW crew actually part of a neo-Nazi party?

Go on, take a guess. :rolleyes:

Quote from: Sergeant Brother;1048142These people are demented. I tried to read the article, but it's such a long nonsensical rant that I had to just skim it. This is another case of the radical left being so intolerant that they eat their own.

Too bad the new Vampire game isn't actually Alt-Right, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

Vampires are Degenerate. Werewolves, OTOH...

Quote from: John Scott;1048148Once again, only a fool or a dishonest person would take Lovecraft out of contex of his era and paint him a monster while there is plenty of evidence that suggests he was no less of a bad person than...

I don't think Lovecraft was a bad person. But he was at least borderline mentally ill. He was literally, medically, xenophobic.

And it empowered his writing.

Quote from: Azraele;1048152Brother, let me tell you about ACKS....

There's nothing in ACKS that's more right-wing than OD&D or AD&D. Or tons of retro-clones, especially those that share ACKS's swords & sorcery vibe.

Right-wing RPGs were sort of a thing in the '80s; GDW (Twilight: 2000, Space: 1889, Traveller 2300 et al) and West End Games (The Price of Freedom) are the ones I recall. GDW's Traveller: The New Era from 1990 was all about killing indigenous people/aliens and taking their stuff with the approval of the Kantian Categorical Imperative, it was very right-wing in a very specifically American Right-Liberal/Republican sort of way, like a Rambo movie. It had a bunch of ends-justify-means stuff explaining why the Good Guys are GOOD AND JUSTIFED which rather reminds me of reading The Antifascist Handbook.

As well as ACKS (Autarch), I expect the Troll Lord Games guys vote Republican too along with a fair number other publishers, but it doesn't mean their games content is any different from centre-left publishers. You have the more extreme far left companies like Evil Hat, then really you have everyone else without a lot of difference.

Quote from: S'mon;1048168There's nothing in ACKS that's more right-wing than OD&D or AD&D. Or tons of retro-clones, especially those that share ACKS's swords & sorcery vibe.

Right-wing RPGs were sort of a thing in the '80s; GDW (Twilight: 2000, Space: 1889, Traveller 2300 et al) and West End Games (The Price of Freedom) are the ones I recall. GDW's Traveller: The New Era from 1990 was all about killing things and taking their stuff with the approval of the Kantian Categorical Imperative, it was very right-wing in a very specifically American Right-Liberal/Republican sort of way, like a Rambo movie.

I was just referring to it's author, Alexander Macris being a self-proclaimed "Ayn Rand libertarian". If I recall correctly, he once referred to the mechanics as celebrating the moment in human history when free enterprise began to replace feudalism.

One reason I don't like about talking articles like these is that you give the prat a lot of attention and traction to his site...

Lets hope it wakes up a few minds and shows what a mutant he is.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1048129Lovecraft was racist, his views were not remotely universal, and it is absolutely disgusting to make excuses for him. Lovecraft's racism does not devalue his work or his contributions, quite the opposite. Without Lovecraft's racism, his work arguably would not have been as remotely powerful as it is. Without his racism, we would not have amazing revisionist fiction like The Litany of Earth or The Song of Saya. Excusing Lovecraft's racism is an insult to the literary establishment. Excusing Lovecraft's racism is an insult to S.T. Joshi, an ethnic Indian who fervently studied and defended Lovecraft to point of giving up his award when the bust was replaced by Octavia Butler (I would have preferred Ursula K. Le Guin myself, and her whiteness would have made the award recast look less like an obvious cave to SJWs).

His expressed some racist views. I do not think his views were universal, however they passed as acceptable if they were shared in the company of people in which he'd have that sort of conversation. It is the same reason why those racist Disney cartoons (and many others to follow from WB) were common - racist, yes. But acceptable by enough of the population that was fine with that being a source of comedic entertainment.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1048129He was a freaking nutjob, all things considered. That is why his work is so enduring. His work is only good because it includes horrible racism and general insanity and self-loathing. That is a fundamental and terrible part of the human experience. So please do not make excuses, because your fervent denial only devalues his work worse than the SJWs ever could.

His works are enduring and continue to sell because they are excellent stories. That's why there are Penguin Classics versions of them. Also why many well know authors speak so well of him and his stories.

How is the view you just expressed so different than an SJW viewpoint?

Quote from: Azraele;1048170I was just referring to it's author, Alexander Macris being a self-proclaimed "Ayn Rand libertarian". If I recall correctly, he once referred to the mechanics as celebrating the moment in human history when free enterprise began to replace feudalism.

Sure - but you could say the exact same thing about 1e AD&D.

Quote from: Lynn;1048174His works are enduring and continue to sell because they are excellent stories.

This is it...

Everyone knows that Lovecraft was a racist. But the guy was a freaking creative genius and his influence will be felt in horror and Sci-Fi forever.

You don't need to like someone or agree with their real world beliefs to enjoy their work. I'm looking at you Steve Jobs who was a complete scumbag incidentally.