Do you prefer Appearance or Charisma stats? Or both?

Steven Mitchell · June 19, 2018, 08:19:01 AM

You need charisma to get and hold peoples' attention. What you do with that attention then decides whether that is an example of leadership or something else.

Eric Diaz · June 19, 2018, 08:48:53 PM

Quote from: AsenRG;1044664That I agree with.
The question with Charisma is how to handle the edge cases that want the other Charisma-based stuff, but not the leadership. And to me, it's not a theoretical question.

Presumably, make leadership a skill, or based on level, etc, instead of charisma. In old school D&D you gained followers if you're level 9 despite you charisma, but OTOH charisma affected hirelings (or something like that).

Eric Diaz · June 19, 2018, 08:50:09 PM

To me Appearance is a SECONDARY stat at best, and I like to see it based on Con as well as Cha. But, realistically, I do't care about the PCs or NPCs looking pretty most of the times.

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Christopher Brady · June 20, 2018, 03:59:04 AM

Quote from: Eric Diaz;1044884To me Appearance is a SECONDARY stat at best, and I like to see it based on Con as well as Cha. But, realistically, I do't care about the PCs or NPCs looking pretty most of the times.

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I would have to disagree. For men it's Strength and Charisma, because no matter what women claim, they like a nice sculpted body (on average.)

Mike the Mage · June 20, 2018, 05:23:05 AM

Perhaps, but if you think that good Con makes you age slower, have better teeth, smell nice and have an air of generall virility, I would go with Con.

crkrueger · June 20, 2018, 09:54:39 AM

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1044946I would have to disagree. For men it's Strength and Charisma, because no matter what women claim, they like a nice sculpted body (on average.)

But sculpted isn't necessarily big. Bruce Lee and The Rock are both sculpted, but one is much stronger. Someone who has an excellent Con I consider to be in good shape, ie. Healthy. Sure, some women prefer lean athletes, some women prefer big muscles, but the key shared by both is Health. That's why I think Con is a much better contender for the "Glamour" alluded to above.

AsenRG · June 20, 2018, 11:59:49 AM

Quote from: Eric Diaz;1044884To me Appearance is a SECONDARY stat at best, and I like to see it based on Con as well as Cha. But, realistically, I do't care about the PCs or NPCs looking pretty most of the times.

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That really fails to explain the success of the "dark, brooding, sickly poet" type;).

Mike the Mage · June 20, 2018, 12:53:05 PM

That success is well overrated. Invented by Goths and hypochondriacs. (-tautology?)

AsenRG · June 20, 2018, 01:23:51 PM

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1045009That success is well overrated. Invented by Goths and hypochondriacs. (-tautology?)

I know a few guys who definitely wouldn't agree with you, and have the experience to back it up;)!

Mike the Mage · June 20, 2018, 01:32:27 PM

Fake sickly, I betcha!:rolleyes:

Trond · June 20, 2018, 02:03:19 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit;1043864Charisma IS leadership.

This is exactly why I sometimes think more stats work better. As I mentioned, having just a "charisma" stat can't tell the difference between Hitler and Salma Hayek.

Trond · June 20, 2018, 02:09:16 PM

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1044946I would have to disagree. For men it's Strength and Charisma, because no matter what women claim, they like a nice sculpted body (on average.)

Women looking at men actually also tend to put a lot of emphasis on a vague thing you can describe as "resourcefulness" or "resources", probably more so than overall looks. That's why men often like to impress women with their new fancy car (and it actually works a bit better than women tend to admit), while you will rarely see women trying to woo a man with the same type of thing.

Christopher Brady · June 20, 2018, 02:45:02 PM

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1044952Perhaps, but if you think that good Con makes you age slower, have better teeth, smell nice and have an air of generall virility, I would go with Con.

I guess part of the issue is that Strength and Constitution are pretty interlinked and are inseparable in terms of actual biology. If you don't have good health, you can't really use or gain strength.

AsenRG · June 20, 2018, 03:00:45 PM

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1045014Fake sickly, I betcha!:rolleyes:

Only some of them, the others were legit:D!

RPGPundit · June 29, 2018, 02:46:59 AM

Still say it's mainly charisma.