Quote from: Just Another Snake Cult;1018046Am I reading things correctly or do the various proclamations not say anything about SJ actually getting back the title "The Fantasy Trip".

Is the new version just gonna be called Melee/Wizard?

I've been wondering that too. Its been kinda fuzzy what exactly hes referring to at any given moment on this. He says TFT alot but seems to be referring to M/W. So who knows?

Quote from: DavetheLost;1018032Good news for TFT fans is that SJ is actually contacting old TFT artists. Presumably this is about doing new artwork for a new edition. It is quite possibly more cost effective to just commission new artwork than try to recover the rights to teh old, then negotiate a new contract for its use, etc.

From his remarks about the process it seems that there is also an element of time in the rights recovery process, time that might be better spent in other ways than waiting for the wheels of the courts to turn.

Considering the changes in printing technology, it probably makes sense to hire the artists to do something similar or "inspired by" anyway. I would guess that works out better for the artists as well.

Quote from: Just Another Snake Cult;1018046Am I reading things correctly or do the various proclamations not say anything about SJ actually getting back the title "The Fantasy Trip".

Is the new version just gonna be called Melee/Wizard?

The new version will be called GURPS Ultra LITE 5e.

Quote from: Ravenswing;1017982And this is a very tricky bit of business, involving an obscure part of the federal code, dealing with a notoriously tricky field of law.  More than in most areas of the law, copyright attorneys finance Caribbean vacations and new model Miatas on the backs of laymen who think they know a lot more than they do talking out of their asses.  I'm willing to wager both that there isn't a single copyright attorney on this forum, and that SJ is paying a bloke who is to advise him.

How much are you willing to wager?

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;1018066The new version will be called GURPS Ultra LITE 5e.

That's actually not a Bad idea - even tho I know you were joking.

If you think about it, in many ways "Melee"/Wzard was very much like the proto version or rough draft of GURPS.

- Ed C.

Quote from: Xanther;1018085How much are you willing to wager?

Plenty.  (Copyright attorney = "someone who makes his living as a dedicated copyright specialist, as opposed to someone with a JD who didn't flunk CopyrightX.")  :cool:

Quote from: Omega;1018048I've been wondering that too. Its been kinda fuzzy what exactly hes referring to at any given moment on this. He says TFT alot but seems to be referring to M/W. So who knows?

We're publishing Melee and Wizard as $15 boxes (each) as well as a big The Fantasy Trip box that includes those plus more goodies.

Steve will be running demos at Origins this week.

http://www.sjgames.com/fantasytrip/

Thanks for the update!

If you are following this thread, you will want to check in with sjgames in the coming month or two; this looks like it is shaping up to be a really cool project, so you'll want to jump on the Kickstarter when it launches!

Quote from: philreed;1043305We're publishing Melee and Wizard as $15 boxes (each) as well as a big The Fantasy Trip box that includes those plus more goodies.

Steve will be running demos at Origins this week.

http://www.sjgames.com/fantasytrip/

One thing I find encouraging is that all the signs point to release of products that are really pretty similar to the originals in core mechanics. There is some forum chatter about tweaking rules for a weapon or two and perhaps closing some loopholes in rules for jobs or experience, but overall this smells like a revival rather than re-shaping into a new game. I think that is pretty important, as a lot of systems that undergo well intentioned extensive re-writes get all the life and juice sucked out of them, or produce something that is an awesome white-room game theory document but no longer fun to play. This project seems to be going down a path more like the Dragonwarriors or Classic Traveller revivals, where the end result is highly recognizable tot people  who've been playing original editions for the last 35 years.

Quote from: Larsdangly;1043342Thanks for the update!

If you are following this thread, you will want to check in with sjgames in the coming month or two; this looks like it is shaping up to be a really cool project, so you'll want to jump on the Kickstarter when it launches!

We were working on the last touches to //www.thefantasytrip.game website yesterday. One bit of info from the "About" page on the new site:

"This is going to be a Kickstarter. Our target price for "I Want It All!" is only $60. If we hit our stretch goals, you'll be getting a package that would have looked like $60 worth even in the old school days. Plus a complete PDF, which didn't even exist back then!"

Quote from: Larsdangly;1043365One thing I find encouraging is that all the signs point to release of products that are really pretty similar to the originals in core mechanics. There is some forum chatter about tweaking rules for a weapon or two and perhaps closing some loopholes in rules for jobs or experience, but overall this smells like a revival rather than re-shaping into a new game.

You've nailed it. Steve doesn't so much want a complete overhaul and new edition as he does "let's make this my way." The goal is to bring back The Fantasy Trip and not to re-imagine The Fantasy Trip. You've clearly checked out the discussions, but for anyone who has missed the conversations -- http://forums.sjgames.com/forumdisplay.php?f=100

Quote from: philreed;1043482You've nailed it. Steve doesn't so much want a complete overhaul and new edition as he does "let's make this my way." The goal is to bring back The Fantasy Trip and not to re-imagine The Fantasy Trip. You've clearly checked out the discussions, but for anyone who has missed the conversations -- http://forums.sjgames.com/forumdisplay.php?f=100

This is just fantastic. There are almost no games that serve the same niche as TFT does. Can't wait to get my hands on the whole catalogue.

Quote from: philreed;1043305We're publishing Melee and Wizard as $15 boxes (each) as well as a big The Fantasy Trip box that includes those plus more goodies.

Steve will be running demos at Origins this week.

http://www.sjgames.com/fantasytrip/

This is fan-freakin-tastic!  TFT is still one of my favorite games, and I thought it was dead in the water.  I shiny new version will work wonders for me introducing new players to an old, and to them obscure, game.  I never thought it would happen.  Where do I sign up?

Quote from: philreed;1043482You've nailed it. Steve doesn't so much want a complete overhaul and new edition as he does "let's make this my way." The goal is to bring back The Fantasy Trip and not to re-imagine The Fantasy Trip. You've clearly checked out the discussions, but for anyone who has missed the conversations -- http://forums.sjgames.com/forumdisplay.php?f=100

EXCELLENT!  It's a damn fine game... don't fuck it up!

You may quote me to SJ, by the way.