Quote from: rgrove0172;1042765I can testify some of the rules are indeed unplayable. Vehicles chiefly among these.

Do spaceships count as vehicles in this context?

Traveller is near the top of my "want to play" list. I've seen it mentioned in multiple places that 1e is better and more complete than 2e. I grabbed what I believe is the 2e pdf. Is this the 1e? I didn't think so at first because it looked like one of those old little black books. I'd just like to make sure before plunking down another $24 when I already have the 2e pdf.

Quote from: GeekEclectic;1042878Traveller is near the top of my "want to play" list. I've seen it mentioned in multiple places that 1e is better and more complete than 2e. I grabbed what I believe is the 2e pdf. Is this the 1e? I didn't think so at first because it looked like one of those old little black books. I'd just like to make sure before plunking down another $24 when I already have the 2e pdf.

Your link goes to 1st edition.  If your copy has a 2008 copyright date it's definitely 1st.  2nd looks like this.

I may be the only one I know who didn't convert, but isn't outraged by 2e.  Splitting ship creation out into it's own book from the start saves having two competing ship building systems in the same game, which strikes me as reasonable.  Then again, I wasn't in the playtest and didn't run out and buy the new line, so it's easy for me to stay philosophical.  It's fair to say their implementation left a lot to be desired.

I do like Mongoose's game design, but their editing and quality control has always been poor.  I was hopeful the new line would be stronger, by using feedback from 1st, but it appears that is not the case.

Quote from: GeekEclectic;1042878Traveller is near the top of my "want to play" list. I've seen it mentioned in multiple places that 1e is better and more complete than 2e. I grabbed what I believe is the 2e pdf. Is this the 1e? I didn't think so at first because it looked like one of those old little black books. I'd just like to make sure before plunking down another $24 when I already have the 2e pdf.

PM me your mailing address and I will send you a copy of the MgT1e Core Rulebook. Free. When something is good, I advocate it.

Or you can just play the Cepheus Engine for free.

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Yep, already switched but it's a matter of preference. I don't see a clear superiority.

Quote from: rgrove0172;1043110Yep, already switched but it's a matter of preference. I don't see a clear superiority.

How does Cepheus compare to Mongoose Traveller 1e? I hear that 2e material is just different enough(probably earlier in this thread, but I'm not going to reread the whole thing to check my sources) to not be compatible with 1e without doing extra work. How does Cepheus compare?

Quote from: GeekEclectic;1043114How does Cepheus compare to Mongoose Traveller 1e? I hear that 2e material is just different enough(probably earlier in this thread, but I'm not going to reread the whole thing to check my sources) to not be compatible with 1e without doing extra work. How does Cepheus compare?

It is Mongoose 1e scrubbed of all 3I IP and a few Mongoose specific mechanics like character creation events.

http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Discuss/showthread.php?t=39088

What is Classic Traveller, now, chopped liver?

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1043142What is Classic Traveller, now, chopped liver?

Nope.

But you can't legally write stuff for it and sell it due to licensing.

The OP is not about writing for Traveller, but playing it.

Quote from: GeekEclectic;1043114How does Cepheus compare to Mongoose Traveller 1e?

Instead of using MT1's careers with 3 specialties, CE has 24 careers and no specialties. For example: MT1 has the Drifter career, with Barbarian, Scavenger, Wanderer as specialties. But CE has Barbarian, Belter, and Drifter as three seperate careers. Also, the default in CE is a failed survival roll = death. Optionally, the GM may allow you to roll on the Survival table, which gives results like "dishonorably dicharged, serve 4 years in prison..." CE has a section on generic aliens (Insectoids, Reptiloids, etc.) where as MT1 has the trad Trav races (Aslan, Hivers, etc.)

What kills CE for me is that the careers don't have the detailed Events, Mishaps, and Life events like MT1/2.

There may be other differences, but those stood out at a quick glance.

Quote from: GeekEclectic;1043114I hear that 2e material is just different enough(probably earlier in this thread, but I'm not going to reread the whole thing to check my sources) to not be compatible with 1e without doing extra work. How does Cepheus compare?

I think that may be overstated. MT2 added "boon and bane" dice which are something like dis/advantage in 5E. MT 2 uses increasing TN's for more difficult tasks rather than penalties to the roll. MT2's dodge is -Dex mod, rather than always -1. So far that all works fine with MT1. MT2 also adds a new phase to character creation: University/Academy. And I think instead of mustering out with a ship, you get ship's shares. There may be critical differences in starship or vehicle combat; I haven't made it that far yet.

The three are so alike you can't go wrong with whatever you choose. But the more I read MT2, the more I like it.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1043253The OP is not about writing for Traveller, but playing it.

Be a little more detailed in your aggro. Are you complaining about playing Traveller or Cepheus Engine as a Referee or as a Player? Are you complaining that the introduction of MgT2e has caused a rift in the fanbase? Are you saying that people should choose Classic Traveller over MgT or Cephesu Engine?

I for one love Cepheus Engine... as a vehicle for publishing adventures for Traveller without getting sued, or signing over all rights.  Why I would choose CE over the edition I'm already comfortable with when CE looks suspiciously like an an exercise in outputting stats compatible with both Classic and Mongoose Traveller I have no idea.