Quote from: Brad;1042327So making jokes is now off limits? Have you actually ever hung out with a group of dudes before? Crude jokes and hazing is rite of passage for most groups of friends.

I remember some dude we didn't know very well played a game with us and got super pissed about "gay jokes", started some righteous indignation bullshit speech. One of the gay players told him to STFU; never saw him again.

I'm also inclined to agree with this too.

There is a difference between jokes and actual bigotry, and that statement goes both ways.

Neither SJW's nor Neo-Puritans have a sense of fun or humor, and both sides are full of hateful moral authoritarians and carpetbaggers.

We should realize that there IS a middle ground between the PC Police and the Baltimore Police. People have forgotten that these days, and that applies to both sides.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1042326I've always wondered this myself.

I think Jeff is trying to go after people who try to wave their orientation in people's faces and not casually mentioning one's significant other in a conversation. But you do have a point, Emperor Norton.

As for Ras Algethi, he's an asshole and you should ignore him. He advocates for cruel and unusual punishments (waterboarding, death penalty, life without parole) and I get the feeling he unironically pines for the old Massachusetts Bay Colony days of literal witch hunts and lynching people for celebrating Christmas and other "pagan" activities.

Despite the obvious fact that he is a wannabe Neo-Puritan, he claims to be agnostic as a poor attempt at deflecting criticism.

Fuck the Puritans, BTW. But to get back on topic, Jeff can be reasoned with and I can sort of understand what both of you are aiming at in your points.

Emperor Norton, trust me, I know how it feels to be an outnumbered liberal on this site.

Your religious bigotry blinds you and makes you post stupid shit. I mean in your world view thinking life for folks who kidnap and murder folks is a wildly outrageous point of view. But I think you know how stupid your position is and you have to make up positions to assign to me so you can beat on it.... you know... strawman.

There is a difference between the jokes you should tell between friends and strangers.

Hell yeah, I make jokes between my friends that I wouldn't make in front of others: Because they actually know me, and know my beliefs, and know where I'm coming from with it.

Saying that I can call one of my gay friends the whitest girl I know (extra funny, as he is also Persian, and not even white), isn't the same as making a bunch of gay jokes in front of people who have no clue who you are, and that you have no clue who THEY are.

Also, super crude comments about women are just not cool in pretty much any situation.

Hell, making fun of each other is kind of how I even get along with people at all. People have asked if me and my wife even like each other because we make fun of each other constantly and it gets mean sounding. But I don't do that to people I've just met.

Quote from: Ras Algethi;1042330Your religious bigotry blinds you and makes you post stupid shit. I mean in your world view thinking life for folks who kidnap and murder folks is a wildly outrageous point of view. But I think you know how stupid your position is and you have to make up positions to assign to me so you can beat on it.... you know... strawman.

You're still hung up on a debate we had from 2017? And to be fair, only one person actually kidnapped and murdered anybody. The other five were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time and got railroaded by a court of actual religious bigots. While I could understand bringing the other five up on lesser charges, to charge all six with the exact crime that was committed and premeditated only by one guy is the kind of excessive reactionary Puritan shit that mainly happens in Bible Belt shitholes like the one I grew up in.

Those kids were from Pikeville, which borders my home county of Dickenson County, Virginia. I was a small kid when the Lillelid tragedy went down and for years afterwards, anyone who did not conform to the strict religious redneck conservatism norm of that area was considered suspect and would get profiled as a Satanist, a criminal, or even worse.

You would be ostracized and at times even physically and psychologically abused for saying that Halloween was NOT devil worship or that the Catholic Church is NOT the Whore of Babylon, among other things. I've seen it happen firsthand, both to myself and others.

If anyone is a religious bigot, it's YOU!

Also, the fact that you are unironically defending the likes of Jack Chick and the Puritans to spite me is funny to me, all the while accusing me of making you into a strawman. The arguments you make against me can go both ways, you know.

But for the love of the Gods, can we PLEASE get back to the topic of LGBT representation and let Emperor Norton off the hook, please?

Dude's been through enough shit having to deal with this idiocy from all of us, and I am including myself in this statement as well.

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Not that way, you pervert.

Quote from: Emperor Norton;1042323You mean no one you game with ever casually mentions their significant other? Ever?

And why exactly should people HAVE to be able to pass? "I'm OK with you being gay, but just don't ACT gay!"

I don't want to hear about the sex lives of the heterosexual couples I game with either. There's a reason sex is regarded as a private matter in nearly every culture throughout history. Even in primitive hunter-gatherer societies couples leave the main group to engage in sex or otherwise act in a manner that keeps it discreet (i.e. silently under covers in the dark) and those with slightly more public practices limited those practices to ritualized acts at specific places and times. People who violate this essentially universal taboo (ex. flashers, peeping toms, people engaging in sex in public places) get negative attention and generally thought of as mentally disturbed.

The entire point of 'Acting Gay' back in the day was specifically to get this type of attention. The point of it was to be provocative and push boundaries in order to advance their cause. But at a certain point you've basically reached your goal and being provocative stops being productive and starts to actively harm the cause because it keeps people who are more than willing to live and let live from being able to let live because its always in their face. Toleration isn't enough... you must CELEBRATE it because for many of the provocateurs it's the ATTENTION they're actually after, not the acceptance.

People like that are as annoying as the people who just will not SHUT UP about politics at the game table, even if you actually agree with their positions, because its not doing anything productive and actually hindering getting things done. Both are doing it for the same reason too; because they're raging egomaniacs who have to make it all about THEM and get upset when they're not the center of attention.

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Hey if trying to keep known predators away from children makes me a bad person then so be it.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1042278If it didn't spam, how would you know? Speculating on the motives of unused accounts is futile.

That's easy forum owners comment when there is any appreciable amount of spam. But the assume that all unused accounts are not valid members who use the forum is unreasonable.

Quote from: Emperor Norton;1042323You mean no one you game with ever casually mentions their significant other? Ever?

Most people I know who have a significant other, game in order to get away from them. That applies to whatever sexual orientation they are.

Quote from: Emperor Norton;1042323And why exactly should people HAVE to be able to pass? "I'm OK with you being gay, but just don't ACT gay!"

They shouldn't, but what is the purpose of broadcasting your sexual orientation to the world unless you are looking for sex or recognition?

Quote from: Emperor Norton;1042321Of course I could make jokes about how I imagine you guys as neckbeards in MAGA hats on a street corner catcalling women...

While toting a CAR-15 and a Bud Light. Coors if we're being classy.

Sadly, I'm just a nerdy British academic with a strong resemblance to Alain de Botton.

Quote from: Larsdangly;1042289And there it is folks; a real, live, honest to goodness POS who dropped in to take a homophobic dump on our thread. Luckily you can see from the Join date that this is either a drive-by bigoting, or perhaps a regular member who was smart enough to change their name when typing in 'hate on' mode.

The homosexual community only has one way to grow and that is by preying on and converting children to the dark side. Reasonable parents do fear that group since they are predators by their very nature.

Quote from: True Black Raven;1042336Hey if trying to keep known predators away from children makes me a bad person then so be it.

The vast majority of LGBT people are NOT predators, though.

Quote from: True Black Raven;1042341The homosexual community only has one way to grow and that is by preying on and converting children to the dark side. Reasonable parents do fear that group since they are predators by their very nature.

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Quote from: jeff37923;1042307Maybe because your experience is not the majority of experiences? That your experience is actually the minority of minorities?

Of course you have been claiming that this is erasure based upon you being bisexual, but when you meet a stranger do you introduce yourself by saying, "Hello, my name is Emperor Norton and I am bisexual"? Since if you don't, how do people you have never met know your sexual preferences to be bigoted against you as you claim?

Maybe the Emperor is making passes at straight people and getting rejected and then he whines to HR that he is being mistreated. Of course these days HR is more likely to fire someone for turning down an advance from an LGBTPQ predator.

Quote from: Emperor Norton;1042325So none of your NPCs have any significant others? Like, there aren't established connections between any of the NPCs in your towns? None of those old school modules ever mentioned married male and female couples? Or that two characters were together? None of them?

Only when that would be relevant to the adventure. Oh, there are established connections - usually when it has something to do with the player characters. When I was playing old school modules, I never really paid attention - mainly because I was between 12 and 16 at the time and every NPC was just potential XP to me.

Quote from: Emperor Norton;1042325See this is the thing: If you were against representation of ANY sexuality in games, why would you only object when it was an LGBT couple mentioned.

If it relevant to the adventure, then sure. Yet when it is shoehorned just to Virtue Signal and has no relevance to the adventure, then it smacks of tokenism. Tokenism, to me, is a much greater disservice.