Quote from: Krimson;1042021The great thing about living in a Capitalist society is that you are free to speak the ONLY language that matters. Money. Talk with your wallet, because nothing else in the world matters.

I already have. Voicing my opinion here is just the icing on the cake.

Quote from: Krimson;1042022And who's fault was it that led to WoTC buying TSR?

TSR.  Their lousy mismanagement of their own business was pretty much the only reason.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1042024TSR.  Their lousy mismanagement of their own business was pretty much the only reason.

There we go. The SJW takeover can be blamed squarely on people who couldn't manage money properly. Capitalism wins.

Quote from: jeff37923;1042020They are hardly secret and not hidden at all. These people are LOUD and PROUD of furthering their agenda. That is why it is called Virtue Signalling.

So what exactly is it that you guys are doing by being loud and proud about being upset about it? I mean, I guess in your mind, your loud and proud of doing the right thing, while they are being loud and proud of .... what exactly?

Like, in all honesty, they are doing what they think is right and they are happy about doing it. How dare they be proud about doing what they think is the right thing!

Quote from: Emperor Norton;1042026So what exactly is it that you guys are doing by being loud and proud about being upset about it? I mean, I guess in your mind, your loud and proud of doing the right thing, while they are being loud and proud of .... what exactly?

Like, in all honesty, they are doing what they think is right and they are happy about doing it. How dare they be proud about doing what they think is the right thing!

I think the decision is driven by what will give you the largest customer base and therefore the largest cash flow. Capitalism wins.

Quote from: Krimson;1042022And who's fault was it that led to WoTC buying TSR?

Lorraine Williams?

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1042028Lorraine Williams?

Someone had to hire her.

Quote from: Krimson;1042025There we go. The SJW takeover can be blamed squarely on people who couldn't manage money properly. Capitalism wins.

A five minute google search doesn't tell me what Peter Adkison's political leanings are.  It's probably left wing but no evidence that he is SJW.  He bought TSR because the guys who owned WotC were gamers and wanted to own D&D.  Shortly afterwards he got an offer he couldn't refuse from Hasbro.  Fast forward 15 years and SJW types are starting to pull the same shit they pulled at Marvel at WotC.  The SJW takeover is due to current management at WotC and is divorced from the TSR purchase by a literal decade and a half.

Quote from: Krimson;1042029Someone had to hire her.

So Gary Gygax.

Quote from: KingCheops;1042031A five minute google search doesn't tell me what Peter Adkison's political leanings are.  It's probably left wing but no evidence that he is SJW.  He bought TSR because the guys who owned WotC were gamers and wanted to own D&D.  Shortly afterwards he got an offer he couldn't refuse from Hasbro.  Fast forward 15 years and SJW types are starting to pull the same shit they pulled at Marvel at WotC.  The SJW takeover is due to current management at WotC and is divorced from the TSR purchase by a literal decade and a half.

Decisions are made to make money. If the political side goes too far it wouldn't surprise me if Hasbro just pulled the plug on D&D and then just released branded versions of board games to keep the IP.

Quote from: Krimson;1042033Decisions are made to make money. If the political side goes too far it wouldn't surprise me if Hasbro just pulled the plug on D&D and then just released branded versions of board games to keep the IP.

Agreed.  My issue was with you saying that TSR's mismanagement and WotC's decision to buy are the genesis of the SJW problem.  It's not.

Quote from: KingCheops;1042034Agreed.  My issue was with you saying that TSR's mismanagement and WotC's decision to buy are the genesis of the SJW problem.  It's not.

It certainly set up the scene for the takeover to happen. Better money management could have meant TSR would still be TSR. Oh hey, Palladium is having money issues. Maybe someone could bail them out.

Quote from: Krimson;1042035It certainly set up the scene for the takeover to happen. Better money management could have meant TSR would still be TSR. Oh hey, Palladium is having money issues. Maybe someone could bail them out.

Jesus Fucking Christ.  Ignored.

Quote from: Emperor Norton;1042026So what exactly is it that you guys are doing by being loud and proud about being upset about it? I mean, I guess in your mind, your loud and proud of doing the right thing, while they are being loud and proud of .... what exactly?

Like, in all honesty, they are doing what they think is right and they are happy about doing it. How dare they be proud about doing what they think is the right thing!

God forbid someone bitch about the fact a game they love is being fucked up by a bunch of whiny SJWs...

I obviously don't buy that the OSR is over run with alt-right nit-wits. If it were I wouldn't have anything to do with it. The OSR is mostly nerdy game stuff focused on games I happen to think are worth playing.

But there is definitely a vocal minority here who get their panties in a bunch about the horrors of inclusive art work or statements on race and gender. If you are one of those people, then you absolutely are part of the alt-right nitwit fringe, and you deserve to have all those shrill left wing fingers pointed at you. Why do you give a shit if there is a picture of a woman in plate armor or a sentence somewhere about transgendered characters or whatever? How does that impact you at all? And if you don't like it for some reason, why don't you just ignore it and play all the dozens and hundreds of games out there that don't do any of those things?