Quote from: jeff37923;1041708If I may answer for myself.....

No.

Why? Because both Sarkeesian and Milo know fuck-all about the tabletop RPG hobby or industry and GenCon was supposed to be about tabletop gaming.

That is my view too. I want to see if Kim agrees.

Quote from: S'mon;1041710That is my view too. I want to see if Kim agrees.

I can't say, but I will say the most galling thing about that comparison is that while I like Milo better than Sarkeesian, Sarkeesian has more of a justification to be a GenCon GoH than Milo because she is at least very peripherally involved with tabletop RPGs.

We need to stand up to Anita Sarkeesian and abstain from attending GenCon.

Join the Cowboys and make your stand against the SJW tyranny of people like her. We'll be just like the exiled Texas outlaws and poor Southerners who formed the original Cowboys gang in Arizona during the late 1870's and early 1880's.

We're resisting a corrupt and tyrannical establishment by not attending GenCon and making our voices heard in doing so.

[video=youtube;OMko5LelBdA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMko5LelBdA[/youtube]

My wife was a guest of honor at GenCon many years ago. Because she was on a reality television game show - Stan Lee's Who Wants to Be a Superhero. She was there with the winner, who is a D&D player. And the winner from the prior year was also a D&D player (my current DM for one game in fact). I guess the themes of the reality TV show borrow from themes of RPGs in a number of ways. But really...not a whole lot related to RPGs or gaming.

And also, of course, almost nobody cared. Those into the show came by to say hi and maybe get an autograph. Those not into it or who had never heard of it (a majority) just ignored it or walked by with a curious glance.

I think there was also Peter Mayhew (Chewbacca), two women from wrestling fame, and David Faustino (Married with Children child actor). But I only know that from a web search - I have no recollection of who else was there other than my wife, her co-players on the game, and...

And then they ALSO had a RPG related guest - Dave Arneson. Who I talked to for a while. Nice guy, interesting stories, definitely belonged there more than any of the other guests.

I am pretty sure that's how this will work as well. Anita is the reality TV game show type guest this year. Or female wrestler. Whatever.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1041537If SJW's are the new Religious Right, then Anita Sarkeesian is the new Jack Chick.

The only difference is that Jack Chick was funny and entertaining, if in an ironic sort of way.

The more I think about this comparison, the more I like it;).
But I also fail to give any fucks about who the guests of honour are, so I'm not the target audience, it seems.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1041713We need to stand up to Anita Sarkeesian and abstain from attending GenCon.

Join the Cowboys and make your stand against the SJW tyranny of people like her. We'll be just like the exiled Texas outlaws and poor Southerners who formed the original Cowboys gang in Arizona during the late 1870's and early 1880's.

We're resisting a corrupt and tyrannical establishment by not attending GenCon and making our voices heard in doing so.

[video=youtube;OMko5LelBdA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMko5LelBdA[/youtube]

So, do we expect an alternative CowboyCon next:D?

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1041660Gotta have a horse to be a cowboy, kid.

Or, at least a cow.

I can't wait to find out how the heteronormative, post-colonial, patriarchal power structures are responsible for the misogyny in the RPG industry.

Quote from: Mistwell;1041716I am pretty sure that's how this will work as well. Anita is the reality TV game show type guest this year. Or female wrestler. Whatever.

The problem, Mistwell, isn't that a wrestler or Peter Mayhew or someone from Xena was on a panel.  They're "game show winners" level, I get that.  The problem is that none of them have made it their goal, their quest, to tear down a hobby.  Anita has.  She's bringing a shitload of toxicity with her.  That's the problem.  It isn't that she's a "nobody", quite the opposite.  It is that she is a "somebody".

And the "somebody" she is, is pretty awful.

As I said up-thread, whomever can bring their whatever to D&D.  I would never, ever step between someone who had a legitimate interest in D&D (or TTRPGs in general) and the table itself, in general.  But Anita Sarkeesian?  No.  Nuh-uh, no way.  I'd prefer she go back to shitting up the video games hobby.  No thank you, do not pass go, do not collect character sheet and dice.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;1041725I'd prefer she go back to shitting up the video games hobby.

As a video game player, I'd rather she plain went away.*

*Disclaimer that I believe in her right to speak about anything she likes, and GenCon has the right to invite anyone they like, and I have the right to say they're a lot of wankers.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1041728As a video game player, I'd rather she plain went away.*

*Disclaimer that I believe in her right to speak about anything she likes, and GenCon has the right to invite anyone they like, and I have the right to say they're a lot of wankers.

Sure, and I would too (I also enjoy VG); I guess what I mean is I wish she'd go away in general.  Didn't mean to make light of the other shit she's pulled.

To clarify:  I don't go to any game cons based on the politics of the producers. I don't consider RPGs to be an important channel for politics, and I'm not going to boycott a convention over mainstream political expression of the creators. I don't consider inviting a guest of honor to be silencing opposing points of view, nor do I think there is some need for guests of honor to be representative of anything in particular.

Given *my* choice, I wouldn't invite either Correia or Sarkeesian, but instead people who are important for tabletop games based on their credentials. But I'm also unlikely to boycott based on their guest of honor choices.

Quote from: Mistwell;1041716My wife was a guest of honor at GenCon many years ago. Because she was on a reality television game show - Stan Lee's Who Wants to Be a Superhero. She was there with the winner, who is a D&D player. And the winner from the prior year was also a D&D player (my current DM for one game in fact). I guess the themes of the reality TV show borrow from themes of RPGs in a number of ways. But really...not a whole lot related to RPGs or gaming.

And also, of course, almost nobody cared. Those into the show came by to say hi and maybe get an autograph. Those not into it or who had never heard of it (a majority) just ignored it or walked by with a curious glance.

I think there was also Peter Mayhew (Chewbacca), two women from wrestling fame, and David Faustino (Married with Children child actor). But I only know that from a web search - I have no recollection of who else was there other than my wife, her co-players on the game, and...

I'm sure, though, if only people had some way of knowing that there were these non-RPG-credentialed guests of honor at GenCon, they would have been outraged and complained just as much as they are over Sarkeesian. :rolleyes:

Quote from: Spinachcat;1041680No. Absolutely and utterly not, unless Milo is a tabletop gamer and game designer on the side.

My problem with Anita as GoH has ZERO to do with her politics. If it was Social Media PoliticsCon, she's be a perfect GoH. GenCon is supposed to be about tabletop games and we have PLENTY of people inside the hobby worthy of that honor.

Larry Correia (who SJWs got tossed from Origins GoH spot) is an author and lifelong RPG gamer, and if he's an GoH, I don't want any politics out of him, just discussion about his books, games based on his books and getting his ass to game tables to game with fans. Absolutely ZERO political talk.

As far as I know, Larry Correia also has done nothing for the tabletop games industry. It seems to me that he has roughly as much relevance as reality TV stars or wrestlers who happen to be game players.

Quote from: jhkim;1041733As far as I know, Larry Correia also has done nothing for the tabletop games industry. It seems to me that he has roughly as much relevance as reality TV stars or wrestlers who happen to be game players.

http://monsterhunternation.com/2017/10/19/new-monster-hunter-international-rpg-using-savage-worlds-rules/

He is an avid gamer and gaming proponent.

Quote from: Melichor;1041734http://monsterhunternation.com/2017/10/19/new-monster-hunter-international-rpg-using-savage-worlds-rules/

He is an avid gamer and gaming proponent.

The official link on that post is broken. Did anything happen with that?

Quote from: Bradford C. Walker;1041684It's letting the camel's nose into the tent.

The camel is already inside the tent.  It has eaten the diaphanous silk bikinis of the sultan's harem (the sultan is pissed, by the way) and is making itself quite comfortable.

I barely understand the point of going to cons. I know my friends are really pumped about Gencon, but like I barely by anything there, so I'm paying a lot for a ticket and taking time off work to demo games and hang out with friends.

Or I could just hang out with friends on a weekend and treat everyone to a steak dinner for less money.

So yeah, knowing that Gencon has honored a known sexist racist harasser that hates a large chunk of my friend group because of qualities of birth is the opposite of good marketing to someone like me who only gets excitement to go from my friends.