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Chris Helton ENWorld and Witch Hunts - Buyer Beware

Started by trechriron, May 01, 2018, 02:51:12 PM

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Krimson

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1040394I don't get the lack of a gay character in Star Wars.  What would you call C3P0?

Fun fact. C-3PO is how I learned the word gay circa 1978. I had no idea what the word meant at the time, though I was pretty sure it had something to do with robots.
"Anyways, I for one never felt like it had a worse \'yiff factor\' than any other system." -- RPGPundit

Ras Algethi

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1040394I don't get the lack of a gay character in Star Wars.  What would you call C3P0?

A droid.

Jason Coplen

Quote from: Silas1066;1038301He isn't quite as bad as Jeff Dee though (author of V&V). Jeff argues that conservatives should be treated like the Nazi war criminals at the Nurnberg trials (executed basically), that the First Amendment doesn't apply to people who disagree with him, and that violence should be used against the political right. He makes Yvette Falarca look like a moderate.

Go check out the social media of these guys for a month or two. It is as frightening as it is humorous.

Or rather don't. I saw how Jeff Dee treated Grim on facebook over gamergate on a non-gammergate discussion - I suppose Jeff read back on Grim's page to see what Grim discussed. He [Jeff] claims the moral high ground a lot and gets pissy when questioned reasonably. It's ever bit as bad as you say, if not much worse.
Running: HarnMaster, and prepping for Werewolf 5.

Warboss Squee

Quote from: Ras Algethi;1040396A droid.

You're real fun at parties, aren't you.

Anon Adderlan

As to the Origins thing, Larry was removed because a fellow RPG author accused him of making 'brown people' feel unsafe, went to #Twitter to brigade, and then deleted her #Tweets after the job was done. Also noticed how Mike Mearls was there to lend words of support and admiration.

It's funny how people like Zak 'Sabbath' Smith and Whitney 'Strix' Beltrán are on opposite sides of the fence yet share so much of the same toxic ideology and tactics.

Quote from: jcfiala;1039313Hey, don't you have an overdue kickstarter to fulfill?

Yes.

And?

Quote from: Ras Algethi;1039315[ATTACH=CONFIG]2499[/ATTACH]

Meh, what's true is true. So I don't consider it a burn, but how is it relevant to anything in this discussion?

Quote from: jcfiala;1039417What really astonished me yesterday was that Larry was invited, and then rejected, by Origins in a 4 hour period, and it seemed like nobody much noticed.  No commentary here or on the big purple, not much of a mention anywhere.

Yeah, weird that, especially since it's exactly the crap The Pundit is typically all over. Guess he's too busy with his own manufactured outrage. At least with rpg.net I understand why, as they'd see it as giving him a platform simply by talking about him. Of course they wouldn't need to worry about that if there wasn't still a meaningful segment of their audience who would agree with him.

Quote from: tenbones;1039420Just saying an NPC is gay, or a specific race or whatever means little if you, as a GM, aren't going to do anything with it. Otherwise it's just pandering and window-dressing (or worse as others put it - virtue signalling).

Which is why suddenly 'making' Dumbledore gay and Lando pansexual is so irritating and ultimately hollow. Even Forbs agrees.

Quote from: tenbones;1039447SJW's (and those with pathological post-modernist leanings) emotionally have problems making discernment's between different things for fear of offending someone. They are are in fact taking the mere vocal observation of those differences as aspersions.

I just witnessed someone on rpg.net lose their collective shit over someone saying that vegetarians don't eat meat, or more accurately being told they weren't a vegetarian. Notice how they also consider whether eggs and fish are meat to be a cultural rather than factual consideration.

These people are legitimately and dangerously insane.

Quote from: Krimson;1039477the highlight was when you asked Sylvester McCoy a question, he would walk right up to you through the crowd.

Many cons would probably consider allowing that to be too much of a liability now.

I'm reminded of what the handler for John Barrowman said before a photoshoot, and I paraphrase: "Please do not ask John to grab, hug, grope, kiss, or lift you...

...because he will."

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1039529as the poet says "Never trust the teller, trust the tale. The proper function of a critic is to save the tale from the artist who created it."

After all, aren't all storytellers liars at heart ;)

Quote from: tenbones;1039590to fulfill their bizarre infantile revenge fantasies

I think ultimately this may all boil down to a simple lack of maturity, but with colleges becoming kindergartens I don't see it getting better anytime soon.

Quote from: Ras Algethi;1039649You're not going to be arrested and prosecuted for posting a rap lyric in the US as a "hate crime". We don't have a Canadian-like Human Rights Commission to use the force of law to force proper gender pronouns.

Yet.

But if you don't think those things are coming, you're nuts.

Quote from: tenbones;1039748I've stopped doing RPG development on some projects because one of the publishers I was working for has vowed to go only with POC designers going forward (or more specifically to give preference to them)... and frankly even though I am a *POC*, I'll be damned if I'm going to let my work be known because of my appearance.

Well fuck.

Can you disclose who that publisher is, here or by PM, so I can avoid wasting their time and mine?

Quote from: Rhedyn;1040214It's funny watching a minority of them start to question why SPF is being treated like a serial rapist while at the same time trying to stress how bad they find his antics.

#CognitiveDissonance

Ras Algethi

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1040402You're real fun at parties, aren't you.

Depends on which liquor I bring.

Ras Algethi

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1040705Meh, what's true is true. So I don't consider it a burn, but how is it relevant to anything in this discussion?

QuoteYet.

But if you don't think those things are coming, you're nuts.

Folks are going to try, that's for sure.

Krimson

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1040705I'm reminded of what the handler for John Barrowman said before a photoshoot, and I paraphrase: "Please do not ask John to grab, hug, grope, kiss, or lift you...

...because he will."

Incidentally after the Sylvester McCoy panel was the John Barrowman panel in the same room. Anyone who didn't shell out $400 for the VIP pass was booted out. As much as I enjoyed Torchwood, I am not shelling out $400 to watch an actor talk.
"Anyways, I for one never felt like it had a worse \'yiff factor\' than any other system." -- RPGPundit

Ratman_tf

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1040705Which is why suddenly 'making' Dumbledore gay and Lando pansexual is so irritating and ultimately hollow. Even Forbs agrees.

he's gay pls clap :D
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Trond

The talk about cleavage in the OP link reminds me that some people really need to learn some wise words from Mr. Seinfeld.


Spinachcat

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1040705As to the Origins thing, Larry was removed because a fellow RPG author accused him of making 'brown people' feel unsafe, went to #Twitter to brigade, and then deleted her #Tweets after the job was done. Also noticed how Mike Mearls was there to lend words of support and admiration.

Wow. Mearls continues to be a worthless piece of shit.


Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1040705And?

And complete your Kickstarter. Far better late than never.

The pulse dice looked like a very cool project. If its an issue of more funds, open up a pre-order and show everyone the path to delivery.

If I played FATE, I'd absolutely want a handful of those.


Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1040705I just witnessed someone on rpg.net lose their collective shit over someone saying that vegetarians don't eat meat, or more accurately being told they weren't a vegetarian. Notice how they also consider whether eggs and fish are meat to be a cultural rather than factual consideration.

I am a bacon vegan!

Because I eat "meat", not "animals".

Disagree and you're a Nazi!


Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1040705I think ultimately this may all boil down to a simple lack of maturity, but with colleges becoming kindergartens I don't see it getting better anytime soon.

College may be kindergarten, but work and the rest of the world are not. They will continue their delusions online (becoming even louder and more strident), but I expect Millennials will start chasing their antidepressants with a lot of booze as real life pushes back hard.

Oh...and the next generation isn't going to be kind to them.

Boozing away troubles isn't new for any generation, but the Millennials unfortunately are drowning in chemicals and isolated from fellow people by their devices. It's one thing to drink away the day with friends at the bar, or even alone with the TV, but neural altering drugs + booze + loneliness? That's bad news.

My girlfriend asked me recently what the SJW end game is going to be. I replied, "suicide epidemic in the late 2020s".

jeff37923

Quote from: Spinachcat;1040751Boozing away troubles isn't new for any generation, but the Millennials unfortunately are drowning in chemicals and isolated from fellow people by their devices. It's one thing to drink away the day with friends at the bar, or even alone with the TV, but neural altering drugs + booze + loneliness? That's bad news.

My girlfriend asked me recently what the SJW end game is going to be. I replied, "suicide epidemic in the late 2020s".

Think of it as evolution in action.
"Meh."

S'mon

Quote from: Spinachcat;1040751Wow. Mearls continues to be a worthless piece of shit.

I am a bacon vegan!


1. Mearls - hmm, I think this is the point where I avoid buying more WoTC products. I've been cutting him plenty of slack but he's crossed a line for me, there.

2. My parents consider themselves vegetarians, while eating fish & eggs - just as well or I'd have been even more malnourished growing up!

NYTFLYR

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1040705These people are legitimately and dangerously insane.
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But if you don't think those things are coming, you're nuts.


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