Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1039218No, that's what you have to do to sell a commercial product in today's world.

Wait. Is that an actual fact? I'm not being sarcastic. Is it the LGBTQOMGWTFBBQ-crowd that is buying D&D and generating sales? What about for non-D&D rpgs? Or is it merely the ideology running its course through a vein of society that feels this is their chance at being the "chosen"?

And more specifically - is the *WAY* they're going about marketing such things the best way to do it? At the cost of alienating: cis-white-male-heterosexuals? Because I don't personally care one bit about needing to be represented as an Asian in RPG's here in America. I'm perfectly able to play any RPG and inject that stuff in meaningful ways (<--- see that right there?) without denigrating others simply by the lack of representation at my table or in the games I help produce.

The issue here is the constant handwringing over the appearances of things rather than the substance of things and then people doing bad things over the internet that impact people's lives over it. I have very little to go on here that this is the best course for marketing other than anecdotal evidence, or parallel evidence from other industries partaking in this behavior. My own spending habits certainly reflect that.

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1039218And I have enough LGBTQOMGWTFBBQ friends to have some idea of how it makes them feel to actually see characters like themselves.

And if wanting my non-cis-white-male-heterosexual friends to feel like a game acknowledges their existence makes me a "Social Justice Warrior," I accept the designation with pride.

So do who doesn't get to be outraged for not appearing in gaming? Only to the point where you know people of a specific denomination, proclivity? Fetish? Self-identification? Where is this magical demarcation line that has nothing to do with people's over-emotional reactions which fuel their own bigotry and biases? I'm genuinely interested in your view on this. Because this is the real question.

Or because *I* and others don't feel it's necessary to do these things in D&D by proscription or design, because we feel its perfectly fine to do it at the table, we're somehow homophobes, racists, bigots whatever? Because I wanna know who I get to call a racist or bigot for not making my Left-Handed Filipino/Japanese/Cajun that identifies as a Baobab tree-RPG. Let's line them all up.

Or do I not count? /raises POC-card. Who's my huckleberry?

Edit: I just want to go on record: I don't give a flying shit about my race, my sexual preference, my appearance, or people's thoughts about those things. I'm more than all of those things combined, multiplied by 10, carry the 2, to the 10th-power of Galactus's middle-finger.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1039237Yeah, if you have to resort to this, you've lost this one.

What, are you kidding?  "Look at my butthole" summarizes 95% of the posts to this forum.

95% Butthole Inspection rating seems awfully precise. You must either be a true fetishist, or the pay must be exquisite. Or both?

Quote from: tenbones;103925595% Butthole Inspection rating seems awfully precise. You must either be a true fetishist, or the pay must be exquisite. Or both?

I'm pretty sure at least 95% of the people here have buttholes.

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1039216Not by anybody with a scrap of human decency.

You are acting like "normal" comes with some sort of moral weight.

Not being normal enough to warrant representation means that something is too rare to include. It carries no moral weight.

Not including something doesn't mean you condemn it, it means you found it irrelevant to the work. Abnormal is not an insult.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1039262Abnormal is not an insult.

When I look up 'abnormal' in the Cambridge English Dictionary, I saw "different from what is usual or average, especially in a way that is bad".

"In a way that is bad" sounds like an insult to me.

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1039101Twenty years ago, maybe.  These days Silicon Valley is filled to bursting with Randroids and dudebros.  My sister lives just over the hills, and is a self-described "free range granola cruncher."  She's also a therapist and spends her time dealing with people.

Silicon Valley (which itself is not very representative of California as a whole - at all) tends to be very left wing when it comes to social issues and some economic issues, but also tends to favor free trade and globalism (which used to be a Republican issue), oppose labor unions, oppose business regulations and laws which make it harder to fire employees, and they also tend to favor charter schools.

So it's sort of a mixed bag, depending on the issue.

Quote from: jcfiala;1039257I'm pretty sure at least 95% of the people here have buttholes.

holy crap. This opens up a whole host of questions...

not the least of which being: who are these 5%? And keeping this on topic - are they represented in RPGs?

Quote from: tenbones;1039266holy crap. This opens up a whole host of questions...

not the least of which being: who are these 5%? And keeping this on topic - are they represented in RPGs?

95% "have" buttholes. 5% "are" buttholes.

Am I.... a butthole?

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Quote from: tenbones;1039266holy crap. This opens up a whole host of questions...

not the least of which being: who are these 5%? And keeping this on topic - are they represented in RPGs?

Well, when I was 12 an older brother of a friend was running us through a D&D adventure, and declared that my character had died from not going to the bathroom, so I suspect my character didn't have a butthole.  Or it's possible Ed was an asshole.  Or both.

Quote from: tenbones;1039270Am I.... a butthole?

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I was not suggesting you were, in case that was unclear

Quote from: jcfiala;1039272Well, when I was 12 an older brother of a friend was running us through a D&D adventure, and declared that my character had died from not going to the bathroom, so I suspect my character didn't have a butthole.  Or it's possible Ed was an asshole.  Or both.

So then you're be okay with advocating of having players have the Blessing of Golgothan - and be given the chance to choose what kind of asshole they are each dawn?

Quote from: Mistwell;1039273I was not suggesting you were, in case that was unclear

Well I wasn't sure if I was being blinded by my "unconscious bias" all these SJW's believe affects those that don't drink their Kool-Aid. I thought this was a good chance to put it to the test.

WHEW. I'm butthole-free.... wait a minute...

I find it discriminatory that there is a difference between buttholes and assholes. Aren't they all anuses together?