My wife passed away 5 years ago, and 2-3 prior to that she was battling cancer. Since that time I have remarried a non-gamer, so after a 7-8 year hiatus im just now getting back around to reading RPG forums, and I have to ask myself... what the hell has happened to the hobby? I don't even recognize it anymore.

If I was just getting into gaming now, and read the SJW crap I'm reading now I would start looking for a different hobby...

Quote from: NYTFLYR;1038312... what the hell has happened to the hobby? I don't even recognize it anymore.

The internet happened to the hobby.  The crazy is the same as it has ever been, but before it was easy to not encounter it.  There are a vast sea of gamers that are just like you remember.  Just be aware as you look that the other kind is out there too.

Quote from: DeadUematsu;1038206Thank you for stating this. A number of the adventures are unnecessarily off-putting because of the extremities and DCC handles the same matters much more tastefully.

Quote from: Apparition;1038220Agreed 101%.  I just don't get the love for the game at all.

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1038221Yep. There are a few scenarios that while I was reading I just thought, "good grief, give it a rest".

Yeah, Lamentations gives the impression of just trying too hard.

Quote from: NYTFLYR;1038312My wife passed away 5 years ago, and 2-3 prior to that she was battling cancer. Since that time I have remarried a non-gamer, so after a 7-8 year hiatus im just now getting back around to reading RPG forums, and I have to ask myself... what the hell has happened to the hobby? I don't even recognize it anymore.

If I was just getting into gaming now, and read the SJW crap I'm reading now I would start looking for a different hobby...

After this last shit storm, I've seriously considered it. I just love RPGs too much. :-D

Quote from: Silas1066;1038298there are RPGs that have a history of being family-friendly, such as D&D

I guess because I came in with 1e AD&D, I don't really think of D&D as being particularly family-friendly. Obviously compared to LotFP even 1e is pretty family-friendly, and never used extreme gore art & tropes - unlike Paizo's Pathfinder, which has some art as gory as anything in LoTFP, just with less monstrous vaginae.

Edit: If you meant homosexuality a la Blue Rose, yes D&D never had explicitly gay & lesbian characters until recently. That was always a Paizo/Pathfinder thing. Jeremy Crawford has a rather narcissistic crusade to make D&D gay because he's gay and he 'deserves to be represented', which I wouldn't mind if he didn't make a big deal of it - I liked pre-2012 Paizo stuff where their setting Golarion had gay NPCs in the Adventure Paths, but didn't make a huge deal of it. But over time it became heavily fetishised, with a Look at Me! Look at Me! tone.

Authoritarians/Totalitarians come in all stripes, regardless of class, creed, or politics. And the most addictive, and destructive, "drug abuse" is getting high off of one's Self Righteousness. Pride goes before the fall...

The rest is just people disagreeing on how best to be people with other people. Some can unclench and be with others. Yet there will be those who get off on clenching so hard they're going to share their new revelations with the rest of us, willing or not. Pity them, reject their fear-based revelation, but do not counter-clench in retaliation -- it falls into the same trap.

Quote from: Silas1066;1038202Now not all women are doing this of course, just a minority of far-left activists.

THIS is what must be remembered. The average gamer (of either gender or sexuality) just wants to have fun with friends.

THIS is a political crusade by a tiny, loud, almost entirely online group of assholes (who are mostly non-gamers).

Fuck those fucking fuckheads.

Quote from: Silas1066;1038202It is time to take the hobby back from radical activists. It's time to make it family-friendly again, and based on fantasy and adventure, not identity politics, teenage angst, gender confusion, and degeneracy.

I've been gaming since 1978. When were RPGs "family friendly"? My AD&D books have boobies, mass murder and Gary's random hooker table.

The hobby isn't in the hands of radical activists because the online world / social media is a delusional parallel universe that doesn't reflect what's actually going on in the real world.

Quote from: tenbones;1038244Why isn't there inclusionary language for Left-Handed People? Why is there not more representation of Left Handed characters in the artwork?

Because left handed people are born without souls, much like gingers.

Didn't you pay attention to anything in school?

Quote from: Rhedyn;1038249So no, I don't think the SJWs are going to ruin RPGs, they may ruin your favorite RPG, but I know that I already have enough stuff that the industry could be gone tomorrow and I would be fine.

Agreed.

SJWs can't do shit to my game table...or the game table to anyone else who recruits players capable finding their ass with both hands.  

Quote from: Chainsaw;1038284The thought police shall render judgement of adherence and violators will be publicly shamed out of existence.

Until somebody pushes back hard, then watch these fucking cowards cry and run.

SJWs are incredibly fragile. The wankers crying for safe spaces aren't built for a fight.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1038294The crowd taking over D&D (Crawford, etc) are virulently against female sexuality but are fervently pro-LGBT.

I don't believe the SJWs are actually pro-LGBT. Only their purse puppy TV imagery of homosexuality.

AKA, I doubt they'd have much support for Log Cabin Republicans, Gay Christians or any LGBT people who don't fit their preconceived stereotypes.

Also...if these retards can't handle female sexuality, they can't handle any human sexuality.  

Quote from: Omega;1038295The fallout from all this will likely not recede as fast as the previous outrage outcries have. If anything it seems to be spreading more and more.

Links?

Let me be abso-fucking-clear here since there are some people who will think I agree with them and some 'enemies' who will use that as ammunition. I know the Drama Llamas and the trolls of YDIS like to cruise here for meat.

If you're seeking to constrict or define what other people can create or play in their games, I'm not on your side.

My objection to the censorious puritanism of the 'SocJus' pseudo-left is the same objection I always had to the censorious puritanism of the evangelical right of the past. I think games - and all other creative endeavours - should be as free as possible to explore ideas and material. After all nobody HAS to play anything. The moment you start to try and control what someone else can publish or play, or what gets awards or gets sold, that's where I start to have issues.

If you think all games need to be family friendly, get fucked.
If you think all games have to have modern-era progressive ideology present in their settings, get fucked.
If you don't think games should have nudity or address adult themes, get fucked.

Basically as soon as you're saying something either must or mustn't be present in someone else's work - get fucked.

I have no objection to grindcore, satanic, cannibalistic, dungeon crawling games existing.
I have no objection to hippy-dippy, narrative focused, borderline ephebophile mecha games existing.

I don't want to excise the 'Social Justice Warriors' from the hobby any more than I wanted to excise the religious from the hobby. I just want them to stop trying to dictate to everyone else and to stop passing judgement and establishing purity tests. To stop trying to take control.

FOAMYOS.
(Fuck off, and make your own shit).

Quote from: Spinachcat;1038364Links?

https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?827817-Related-to-the-Sean-Fannon-thread-Prowlers-amp-Paragons-UE-and-Leonard-Pimentel

Some poor indie is about to be pressured to drop SPF from his stuff and lose that brand recognition, but it sounds like the indie dev says he knows SPF personally and that these claims don't make sense.

Some people may have overplayed their hand this time and targeted a decently large network of quality content creators by going this hard after someone who has not even been accused of inappropriately touching a woman.

At Pinnacle, he lost his brand manager job but is still working on the rules he wrote for Savage Rifts. Which seems perfectly reasonable that a big hit to your brand inhibits you from being a good brand manager, but it's not like PEG cut all ties or stopped being friends with him. The mob may want more from PEG but their not going to get it.

Quote from: GRIM;1038371I don't want to excise the 'Social Justice Warriors' from the hobby any more than I wanted to excise the religious from the hobby. I just want them to stop trying to dictate to everyone else and to stop passing judgement and establishing purity tests. To stop trying to take control.

FOAMYOS.
(Fuck off, and make your own shit).

[video=youtube;IxAKFlpdcfc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxAKFlpdcfc[/youtube]

Quote from: GRIM;1038371I don't want to excise the 'Social Justice Warriors' from the hobby any more than I wanted to excise the religious from the hobby. I just want them to stop trying to dictate to everyone else and to stop passing judgement and establishing purity tests. To stop trying to take control.

Problem is the religious can and have been playing the entire time, most without trying to convert people.

By their very nature SJW have to fight (hence the Warrior portion of their moniker). As we are witnessing now, they have to to to war and destroy what they perceive as a wrong.

I'm more concerned with dreary revisions of games that never excluded anybody in the first place.

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Let me clarify what I said about "family-friendly"

I meant that specifically in regards to D&D, not other games. There are plenty of games with adult themes that I enjoy playing, and I have no issue with people creating stuff that is for a mature audience.

And when I say D&D was family-friendly, I mean Classic D&D, not AD&D. From the brown box, to the Holmes edition, to BECMI, etc., TSR set the age range at 11+. There was no nudity (that I remember), excessive gore, homosexual themes, etc. in those editions. You could play the game with your kids and not have to worry.

Now AD&D was for a somewhat older crowd, but even that was tame compared to modern stuff. There may have been supporting material in Dragon magazine, etc. that was specifically for adults.

Other RPGs from the late 70s and early 80s were pretty family-friendly: Runequest, Tunnels & Trolls, Man, Myth, and Magic, etc.

When the "Book of Vile Darkness" arrived in 3rd edition, things began to change. Now we had incestuous demons who engaged in rape. Later, gay characters were introduced, transgenderism in the rule books, etc. Now we have Crawford declaring he wants to make D&D more queer.

But heaven forbid we have any slave lords! That is going too far!

In other words, a small group of people is steering the game where they want it to go

Quote from: Silas1066;1038416Let me clarify what I said about "family-friendly"

I meant that specifically in regards to D&D, not other games. There are plenty of games with adult themes that I enjoy playing, and I have no issue with people creating stuff that is for a mature audience.

So how does this square with your complaint that Lamentations of the Flame Princess is desecrating D&D? Is it that you consider Lamentations to be inherently D&D, and thus it shouldn't have adult themes? Or do you not actually have a problem with Lamentations, and take back your complaint?

Quote from: Silas1066;1038416And when I say D&D was family-friendly, I mean Classic D&D, not AD&D. From the brown box, to the Holmes edition, to BECMI, etc., TSR set the age range at 11+. There was no nudity (that I remember), excessive gore, homosexual themes, etc. in those editions. You could play the game with your kids and not have to worry.

Quote from: Silas1066;1038416When the "Book of Vile Darkness" arrived in 3rd edition, things began to change. Now we had incestuous demons who engaged in rape. Later, gay characters were introduced, transgenderism in the rule books, etc. Now we have Crawford declaring he wants to make D&D more queer.

But heaven forbid we have any slave lords! That is going too far!

In other words, a small group of people is steering the game where they want it to go

As far as family-friendly goes - you seem to clearly be saying that gay characters and/or gay themes are not family-friendly. I could accept your saying "I don't want products with any gay characters in them" as a personal preference. However, I and many other families don't think there is anything wrong with gay people. I am happy introducing my children to gay friends, having gay teachers, watching shows with gay characters, etc. Gay themes and gay characters are family-friendly, in my opinion.

And here is the crux. We both play D&D - we both have different things that we want from it. It is up to the owners and the market of D&D to determine what direction it goes in. Over time, it will go in different directions, and it will be up to a small number of people inherently, because there are only so many people who will actually write new official material. The market will have feedback about that, but by many accounts, D&D is doing great right now in the market. I don't think that older players have a moral right to keep D&D gay-free like it used to be, and this is a change that I'm fine with.

Quote from: jhkim;1038428I don't think that older players have a moral right to keep D&D gay-free like it used to be, and this is a change that I'm fine with.

D&D never was gay-free, or anything like that. Two of the guys in my original gaming group from the 70's were gay. One was a life-long closet gay, and the other, exactly the opposite.

That said, we are having a problem now with a bunch of gay, bi, and transgender guys trying to gatekeep our hobby, and to deliberately exclude people, for no good reason at all... other than they don't like them. Check out all the fun and games this morning over at the LotFP G+ ...

Also I'd appreciate screenshots if anyone here cares to share, as a few of the more vocal slimeballs ID'ed as being witchhunters have actually blocked me, so I can no longer see their posts in that thread, all because I'm making arguments on behalf of Sean Patrick Fannon as well as theRPGPundit... So much for free speech on G+.

https://plus.google.com/112262093672917983853/posts/dgAPkjyTxEs?fscid=z13sd1linpq5t5cqv04cix5zjravjn3z0lo0k.1525969016471360