Quote from: rgrove0172;1013390Yeah, I get all that but how do you really feel about it?

"ONE OF US! ONE OF US!" *hands over Illuminati robes and "Down with OSR" t-shirt.* Meeting are every third Wednesday. They're potluck so bring your own baby or hot dish.

Quote from: joriandrake;1013394I think this is the moment where I take my hat and back out of this thread.

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Too late!

Quote from: joriandrake;1013394I think this is the moment where I take my hat and back out of this thread.

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You dug too deep!!!! Fly you fool! FLY!!!!

Quote from: joriandrake;1012990Interesting, my reaction is the opposite, I would like to play a game under Grove especially because nothing in the threads is the same as experiencing events personally during a campaign.

Interesting enough, I'm with you, just because I'd like to see how he is in person:).
But I don't promise in advance coming for a second session;).

Quote from: joriandrake;1013394I think this is the moment where I take my hat and back out of this thread.

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Oh no,  Things are just getting interesting so don't pass out on us now....

Quote from: rgrove0172;1009296.... GM: NO, I just rule it the way I see it. An orc grunt with a broadsword isnt as good as a hero. So I nerf them a little.

I'm OK with that but would build it into the rules.  So the same conditions that nerf an orc could nerf a PC.

QuotePlayer: So how the hell am I supposed to know what anything is, how good or challenging it will be? Chainmail isnt really chainmail, a broadsword really isnt a broadsword...

I agree with the player.  You also seem to be making a lot of work for yourself or are over enamored with descriptive text.  Why in the world does the orc need to wear chainmail?  Just make it the armor that lines up with the AC you give them.

QuoteGM (Interrupting and a little hacked) ... yeah, thats right and a fireball may not do the same damage, a fall from the roof may do more, and they might take a saving throw differently too. So what? Its my world, those that live in it and arent under your control function as I see them, not based specifically on some freaking rulebook.

Player: Well how nice, I guess we all just live to adventure in your own little special and private version of a fantasy world where everything, even natural laws, are yours to change.

GM: Err.. umm, yeah.. exactly!

Who do you guys feel - whose side do you lean on?

Have to say I am on the players side.   I view your decision on how things work based only whose hands it is in (NPC vs PC) equivalent to dice roll fudging (just in the player favor).  It takes away one's sense of accomplishment if PCs get such favorable treatment especially when they have no idea when or to what extent they get it.  That is, beating orcs in mail+broadswords no different than beating orcs in leather+short swords, but you led the players to believe there was a difference.

Quote from: AsenRG;1013402Interesting enough, I'm with you, just because I'd like to see how he is in person:).
But I don't promise in advance coming for a second session;).

TPK if you guys show up. Guaranteed!!!

Quote from: rgrove0172;1013390Yeah, I get all that but how do you really feel about it?

Love for my fellow gamer. I want to take you by the hand and bring you to the light of consistancy. To save you from the mediocrity of abstract Mother-May-I GMing. I want to help you help yourself to be a better GM.

But I really think you are a lost cause.

You make a great bad example, though.

For the record, despite teeing off on him on the other thread, I really am trying to help rgrove. It just gets frustrating sometimes.
I am glad that for the most part he and his players seem to enjoy their time together.

Quote from: DavetheLost;1013440For the record, despite teeing off on him on the other thread, I really am trying to help rgrove. It just gets frustrating sometimes.

I attempted to help, but gave up quickly because I don't like to waste my time.

Quote from: DavetheLost;1013440I am glad that for the most part he and his players seem to enjoy their time together.

Except for the ones who don't like the inconsistency of his games.

Quote from: Xanther;1013410I'm OK with that but would build it into the rules.  So the same conditions that nerf an orc could nerf a PC.



I agree with the player.  You also seem to be making a lot of work for yourself or are over enamored with descriptive text.  Why in the world does the orc need to wear chainmail?  Just make it the armor that lines up with the AC you give them.



Have to say I am on the players side.   I view your decision on how things work based only whose hands it is in (NPC vs PC) equivalent to dice roll fudging (just in the player favor).  It takes away one's sense of accomplishment if PCs get such favorable treatment especially when they have no idea when or to what extent they get it.  That is, beating orcs in mail+broadswords no different than beating orcs in leather+short swords, but you led the players to believe there was a difference.

Is like this
To answer your question on why chainmail on the orc, I game from a homegrown setting some 30 years in the making. I covert it into whatever system im.using, not the other way around. It's a pain sometimes but the setting comes first. This culture of orcs is like this..etc

Quote from: jeff37923;1013437Love for my fellow gamer. I want to take you by the hand and bring you to the light of consistancy. To save you from the mediocrity of abstract Mother-May-I GMing. I want to help you help yourself to be a better GM.

But I really think you are a lost cause.

You make a great bad example, though.

Ahhh shucks.

Quote from: Spellslinging Sellsword;1010304Here is a fun video of plate armor vs. firefighter gear vs. modern military gear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAzI1UvlQqw

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1010348This makes me want to see an obstacle course run with guys in leather, chain and plate. (I did look on youtube. Nothing yet.)

I feel a new TV show coming ... American Paladin Warrior.

Quote from: joriandrake;1013394I think this is the moment where I take my hat and back out of this thread.

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If you're still having trouble with the sarcasm translation--this where everyone is blowing off steam and jettisoning any pent-up aggression.

Quote from: Willie the Duck;1013509If you're still having trouble with the sarcasm translation--this where everyone is blowing off steam and jettisoning any pent-up aggression.

Bingo!