Rule Loopholes exploited by players

AsenRG · December 08, 2017, 07:16:55 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit;1011662In my experience that's how every gamer who sings the praises of social mechanics behaves.

Then your experience is limited.

DavetheLost · December 08, 2017, 09:17:28 AM

Quote from: Omega;10116945e for example left out random encounter tables and left that to the DM to make custom to the situation.

5e seems to have left out the very concept of wandering monsters and random encounter tables. One of my players, who is a 5e player, seemed quite surprised at the existance of random encounters, and told me they don't exist in 5e. The more I hear about that game, the less it sounds like my cup of tea. And I did look at the free quickstart. It shares a name with my D&D...

estar · December 08, 2017, 09:53:10 AM

Quote from: DavetheLost;10121295e seems to have left out the very concept of wandering monsters and random encounter tables.

Page 85 D&D 5th edition Dungeon Masters Guide.

What they didn't do is provide pages of pre made tables. They give one and devote fives pages to how you can build them.

The recently released Xanathar's Guide to Everything they have a whole section of pre-made random encounter tables.

And just about every adventure had them like on Page 7 of Hoard of the Dragon Queen. Whoever you were talking too was ignorant of the rules of 5e.

DavetheLost · December 08, 2017, 03:07:43 PM

Just passing on what my player told me. Given the player, I wouldn't be surprised if the information was inaccurate.

Omega · December 08, 2017, 06:37:59 PM

Quote from: DavetheLost;10121295e seems to have left out the very concept of wandering monsters and random encounter tables. One of my players, who is a 5e player, seemed quite surprised at the existance of random encounters, and told me they don't exist in 5e. The more I hear about that game, the less it sounds like my cup of tea. And I did look at the free quickstart. It shares a name with my D&D...

You and your player example are wrong.

The DMG has a section on random encounter tables and even gives examples of them. But it places the job in the DMs hands and explains the idea of encounter tables that should be custom made for the adventure or area rather than generic one-size-fits-all tables.

It was a good idea really.

DavetheLost · December 08, 2017, 07:05:41 PM

Customized random encounter tables is a very good idea. If you are deep in the caves of the goblin king I would expect to encounter goblins not skeletons.

Happy to corrected on this point.

Bren · December 08, 2017, 07:14:32 PM

Goblin skeletons sound OK.

fearsomepirate · December 09, 2017, 11:00:19 AM

Quote from: estar;1012139Page 85 D&D 5th edition Dungeon Masters Guide.

What they didn't do is provide pages of pre made tables. They give one and devote fives pages to how you can build them.

Mearls & Crew really underestimated how lazy I am. I was disappointed. I've been using 1e tables up until this time.

Gronan of Simmerya · December 09, 2017, 11:54:54 AM

When old editions leave something for the ref they are "incomplete" or "badly written."

When new editions leave something for the ref they are "advanced" and "imaginative."

Voros · December 09, 2017, 01:55:04 PM

Quote from: Omega;1012262You and your player example are wrong.

The DMG has a section on random encounter tables and even gives examples of them. But it places the job in the DMs hands and explains the idea of encounter tables that should be custom made for the adventure or area rather than generic one-size-fits-all tables.

It was a good idea really.

Xanathar's Guide to Everything has random monster tables for those too lazy to make them yourself.

joriandrake · December 09, 2017, 05:11:06 PM

Quote from: Bren;1012286Goblin skeletons sound OK.

good idea but I do think undead skeletons could/would also include their previous victims, and/or previous owners of their place

Willie the Duck · December 09, 2017, 06:05:25 PM

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1012403When old editions leave something for the ref they are "incomplete" or "badly written."

When new editions leave something for the ref they are "advanced" and "imaginative."

I'm sorry to interrupt the pity party, but who are these people calling the absence of encounter tables in the 5e DMG "advanced" and "imaginative?"

If I bust CB's chops on this, I gotta be fair, y'know.

Dumarest · December 09, 2017, 06:14:53 PM

Quote from: Bren;1012286Goblin skeletons sound OK.

Wrong, GOBLIN SKELETONS sounds AWESOME!

joriandrake · December 09, 2017, 06:18:04 PM

Quote from: Dumarest;1012507Wrong, GOBLIN SKELETONS sounds AWESOME!

meh, just wait until the main enemy in a campaign is a necromancer fey and its horde of undead pixies/brownies

I GM-ed that, the players were freaked out by the tiny beasts, were almost unable to hit the basic swarming skeletal enemies without magic targeting aid

Dumarest · December 09, 2017, 06:18:57 PM

Quote from: AsenRG;1012113Then your experience is limited.

Well, we knew that based on his seemingly endless proclamations about every this and every that. Plus this is a guy who rates Tombstone and Fear and Loathing as greatest Western and novel of all time, so clearly he has extremely limited horizons outside the field of pipe tobacco.