Quote from: Omega;1010730Blade Runner has space travel, but never shows it. Also theres something about Outland that has a bit of a cyberpunk vibe to it. Though very muted. Its kinda what Id envision Blade Runners space to look like in the more grungy sectors. I think it would look more like Avatar in the more advanced sectors.

Yeah. Or Firefly might be a good example of showing that spectrum.

Quote from: tenbones;1010755Yeah. Or Firefly might be a good example of showing that spectrum.

Firefly's tech may be a bit too far past cyberpunk. And they had very little net presence on that show aside from one notable element. We are talking Tekumel level planet enginerering able to alter a whole planets gravity. Firefly is more frontier than punk in feel. Though obviously theres some sort of cyberpunk setting. The main characters just dont deal with it hardly and stay on the fringe half the time.

Or to put it differently the show itself doesnt feel cyberpunk usually. But the setting indicates that there is one from what few glimpses that do happen.

Quote from: Omega;1010730Blade Runner has space travel, but never shows it. Also theres something about Outland that has a bit of a cyberpunk vibe to it. Though very muted. Its kinda what Id envision Blade Runners space to look like in the more grungy sectors. I think it would look more like Avatar in the more advanced sectors.

As a kid I always kinda thought of Blade Runner, Outland, and Alien as taking part in the same setting, though not at the same moment in time.

Quote from: Simlasa;1010956As a kid I always kinda thought of Blade Runner, Outland, and Alien as taking part in the same setting, though not at the same moment in time.

As someone pointed out, Alien, Blade Runner and Soldier were meant to be in the same universe.

That's just based on them throwing nearly every possible Sci-Fi reference possible into Soldier.  It's a movie full of Easter Egg inside jokes, not any attempt at realistically joining the settings.

Quote from: CRKrueger;1010993That's just based on them throwing nearly every possible Sci-Fi reference possible into Soldier.  It's a movie full of Easter Egg inside jokes, not any attempt at realistically joining the settings.

One of the sources found:  http://bladerunner.wikia.com/wiki/Soldier

Direct quote from the references:

Writer David Peoples has claimed that this movie is a sequel of sorts to Blade Runner, which he also wrote. He claims that the soldiers of this movie are examples of the engineered life forms seen in Blade Runner; vehicles seen in Blade Runner are also seen in this movie. In addition, a list of Kurt Russel's weapon training history indicates that he has been trained on the M41A Pulse Rifle and USCM Smartgun, weapons seen in the movie Aliens - which could indicate that that franchise also exists within the same universe.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1011067One of the sources found:  http://bladerunner.wikia.com/wiki/Soldier

Direct quote from the references:

Writer David Peoples has claimed that this movie is a sequel of sorts to Blade Runner, which he also wrote. He claims that the soldiers of this movie are examples of the engineered life forms seen in Blade Runner; vehicles seen in Blade Runner are also seen in this movie. In addition, a list of Kurt Russel's weapon training history indicates that he has been trained on the M41A Pulse Rifle and USCM Smartgun, weapons seen in the movie Aliens - which could indicate that that franchise also exists within the same universe.

Yeah, that's one of the dozen at least references to other sci-fi franchises, they all part of the same universe too? The soldier bears no resemblance to a Blade Runner replicant, he's entirely human, which is the point of the new genetically engineered models, which aren't replicants either.

He may have wanted it to be in the same universe, but it's clearly not.  It's a "spiritual successor" or "love letter" kind of thing but no more than that.  Visuals and Easter Eggs play with the idea, not a single word in the script does.

Quote from: Omega;1010952Firefly's tech may be a bit too far past cyberpunk. And they had very little net presence on that show aside from one notable element. We are talking Tekumel level planet enginerering able to alter a whole planets gravity. Firefly is more frontier than punk in feel. Though obviously theres some sort of cyberpunk setting. The main characters just dont deal with it hardly and stay on the fringe half the time.

Or to put it differently the show itself doesnt feel cyberpunk usually. But the setting indicates that there is one from what few glimpses that do happen.

I'm going to take you on for this with one big guiding principle: CP2020 as written in the late 80's and didn't really consider (nor did it need to) all of the technological ramifications of the things present already in the setting.

Firefly as a show is very Cyberpunk (the genre in general) from the perspective of people that live in the wastelands in CP2020 - very frontier, very hand-to-mouth, but technology is present, especially when you get to locales where the Alliance (Government) forces have a presence.

CP2020 has very sophisticated technology that only works its way down to the lowest common denominator (the PC's) by intention of the genre. They're pretty explicit that the tech that is radical by average streetrunners like Nanotech is very much present at the higher ends of the spectrum. As are energy weapons, and such. The manufacturing capacity of the megacorps in CP2020 could and I say *would* have had a much larger presence in space. That is corroborated by the creation of the Crystal Palace and the cities on the moon at Tycho and Copernicus crater. It would be silly to conceive that megacorps would not go further (and while I don't have my books in front of me - I'm *pretty sure* they imply that in "Deep Space".

I'm not entirely disagreeing with you - in presentation of the basic game, there are things in Firefly (the Alliance in particular) that outstrip much of what is even implied in CP2020, but I think that gulf is not as broad as it would appear given the technological capacities that are present in CP2020. 99% of the tech used by the Alliance is actually present in CP2020 just not scaled up due to (and this is my interpretation) 1) Lack of need 2) Lack of extrapolation.

I think Interface Zero does a much better job of fleshing out those technological possibilities. When CP2077 drops I'm curious to see how far they take it.

This reddit has some interesting info on the subject of space exploration in cyberpunk: https://www.reddit.com/r/Cyberpunk/comments/3cj7f1/space_travel_in_cyberpunk/

I have not read Schismatrix yet, but it is mentioned as one of the seminal cyberpunk works that has actual space travel in it. Altered Carbon is also mentioned (I've also not read it).

I have read Gibson's "Red Star, Winter Orbit" and one called "Snake Eyes" by another author, which are closer to what pundit was saying.

Quote from: tenbones;1010699A REALLY good example of what space cyberpunk would look like is the books (and SUPERB TV show) The Expanse. Seriously awesome and excellent example of cyberpunk-space.

Fair enough.

But part of Cyberpunk is that, like punk itself, it is a phenomenon that was born in and depends on urban blight.  It's about City, not space. So you can have "cyberpunk in space" but only if you make an asteroid or space-station act as an overcrowded impoverished dangerous city.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1012042Fair enough.

But part of Cyberpunk is that, like punk itself, it is a phenomenon that was born in and depends on urban blight.  It's about City, not space. So you can have "cyberpunk in space" but only if you make an asteroid or space-station act as an overcrowded impoverished dangerous city.

Pundit, my friend, you need to watch some Expanse. Mission accomplished. Give us some feedback afterwards, I'm very curious to hear your reaction and thoughts on it.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1012042Fair enough.

But part of Cyberpunk is that, like punk itself, it is a phenomenon that was born in and depends on urban blight.  It's about City, not space. So you can have "cyberpunk in space" but only if you make an asteroid or space-station act as an overcrowded impoverished dangerous city.

... hm, would you say Babylon 5 was cyberpunk-ish? or DS9?

Quote from: joriandrake;1012283... hm, would you say Babylon 5 was cyberpunk-ish? or DS9?

Babylon 5 defiantly had some cyber puck bits to it though we tended to fallow characters who where pretty well off  as far as the station where concerned.

Something to think about is that the genre of cyberpunk was a product of the 80's and 90's and rode along with the dawn of the internet. What was a cutting edge new literary genre then, is now just another aspect of science fiction. In the words of Cybergeneration, "Evolve or Die".

Quote from: jeff37923;1012382Something to think about is that the genre of cyberpunk was a product of the 80's and 90's and rode along with the dawn of the internet. What was a cutting edge new literary genre then, is now just another aspect of science fiction. In the words of Cybergeneration, "Evolve or Die".

Yes, while game mechanics/systems might not be affected by age, things such as 'futuristic' settings which don't even have simple modern mobile/smart phones due to lack of updating is jarring. I also have a personal problem with most of the old settings not having proper genetic engineering options while being full of cybernetic ones.