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Whatever happened to "It has to be free speech all the time"...

Started by ArrozConLeche, February 03, 2015, 10:30:42 AM

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Will

I probably should have talked more about the gaming angle mentioned in the TED speech.

But wow, you're right about that irony. Hah.

(OHT: my post would have gotten me permabanned at RPG.net)
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crkrueger

Eh, the site's about gaming.  Talking about Model Airplanes would get closed too.  The only reason all the Tangency stuff we argue about is allowed is because it's based usually on a Pundit article somewhere.
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ArrozConLeche

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And the hamster wheel starts to spin...

Will

The talk was also about gaming and why hostility toward gaming is unproductive and misplaced.

I should have talked about that in the first post to make context clear.
This forum is great in that the moderators aren\'t jack-booted fascists.

Unfortunately, this forum is filled with total a-holes, including a bunch of rape culture enabling dillholes.

So embracing the \'no X is better than bad X,\' I\'m out of here. If you need to find me I\'m sure you can.

mAcular Chaotic

The actual post was all about the education system. A perfectly fair topic. Just didn't connect it to gaming at all when I read it.
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Bedrockbrendan

Therpgsite is about RPGs. That is the purpose of the forum and we try to keep it focused on that. The Pundit sub forum is for stuff Pundit wants to discuss, but only if the topic interests him.

This isn't a new policy.


TristramEvans

Only Pundit is allowed to make off-topic posts. OHT patrols Pundit's forums pretty regularly.

Will

I think the gaming connection is nonobvious enough to justify OHT shutting it down, but we'll see if Pundit takes an interest.

It is, however, EXTREMELY ironic that he made a RPG.net swipe in closing it, given it's the kind of post that wouldn't be acceptable on RPG.net.
This forum is great in that the moderators aren\'t jack-booted fascists.

Unfortunately, this forum is filled with total a-holes, including a bunch of rape culture enabling dillholes.

So embracing the \'no X is better than bad X,\' I\'m out of here. If you need to find me I\'m sure you can.

mAcular Chaotic

Quote from: ArrozConLeche;813900Except the thread in question had was related to gaming, at least. Given the range of topics on the site, you'd figure this one would be OK.

http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=27410
http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=12871
http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=21882
http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=29890
http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=29890
http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=11828
http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=28185
http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=15972

But, sure, I understand that the mods may want to hide behind therpgsite's own version of TBP's "rule 10" while pretending the site is all about "freeh speach!!"

There's a difference. Read the title of this subforum. The RPGPundit's OWN forum. Of course he can make whatever topics he wants. That doesn't mean any random person can throw in whatever they want. The entire point of the subforum is topics that interest RPG Pundit.
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Bren

RPGsite is not RPGnet.

RPGnet has a Tangency subforum for the kinds of posts, like the post Will made, that appear to have nothing to do with gaming (or to fit in any of RPGnet's other subforum topics). Thus the attempt to create what appeared to be a Tangency like thread was quickly closed with a reference to this not being RPGnet, which has a Tangency subforum.

Unlike RPGnet, RPGsite does not have a Tangency like subforum in which any user can more or less post whatever takes their fancy.

What part of any of this is unclear? :rolleyes:
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ArrozConLeche

Quote from: mAcular Chaotic;813904There's a difference. Read the title of this subforum. The RPGPundit's OWN forum. Of course he can make whatever topics he wants. That doesn't mean any random person can throw in whatever they want. The entire point of the subforum is topics that interest RPG Pundit.



Quotesure, I understand that the mods may want to hide behind therpgsite's own version of TBP's "rule 10" while pretending the site is all about "freeh speach!!"

Deconstructing Constructivism: Postpatriarchialist cultural theory and subsemioticist materialism


1. Consensuses of meaninglessness

The primary theme of the works of Fellini is the common ground between sexual identity and art. If postpatriarchialist cultural theory holds, the works of Fellini are reminiscent of Burroughs. But de Selby[1] suggests that we have to choose between Baudrillardist simulation and subdialectic capitalist theory.

Sontag uses the term 'subsemioticist materialism' to denote not theory, but posttheory. However, the example of Lyotardist narrative which is a central theme of Smith's Clerks emerges again in Dogma.

Many sublimations concerning subsemioticist materialism exist. Thus, Derrida uses the term 'subconstructive theory' to denote the defining characteristic, and some would say the economy, of textual society.

2. Smith and predialectic cultural theory

"Sexual identity is dead," says Debord. If subconstructive theory holds, we have to choose between neoconceptual narrative and textual subcapitalist theory. In a sense, postpatriarchialist cultural theory states that language is used to reinforce class divisions, given that art is distinct from consciousness.

The characteristic theme of Reicher's[2] model of subsemioticist materialism is a self-falsifying totality. The primary theme of the works of Smith is the economy, and thus the failure, of dialectic art. Thus, the subject is interpolated into a postpatriarchialist cultural theory that includes truth as a reality.

"Society is part of the rubicon of art," says Sontag; however, according to Finnis[3] , it is not so much society that is part of the rubicon of art, but rather the meaninglessness, and some would say the collapse, of society. Several discourses concerning the role of the poet as participant may be discovered. In a sense, Marx uses the term 'subconstructive theory' to denote the bridge between consciousness and class.

"Society is responsible for the status quo," says Lacan. The subject is contextualised into a subsemioticist materialism that includes culture as a whole. It could be said that Debord's essay on postpatriarchialist cultural theory implies that sexuality is capable of truth.

Von Ludwig[4] holds that the works of Smith are postmodern. However, the subject is interpolated into a subconstructive theory that includes culture as a reality.

The characteristic theme of Reicher's[5] critique of subsemioticist materialism is the economy, and hence the genre, of conceptualist sexual identity. But Lyotard suggests the use of Baudrillardist hyperreality to deconstruct and analyse society.

Debord uses the term 'postpatriarchialist cultural theory' to denote the role of the writer as reader. However, in Mallrats, Smith denies subconstructive theory; in Clerks, however, he affirms postpatriarchialist cultural theory.

The premise of subconstructive theory states that language may be used to oppress the proletariat. In a sense, the meaninglessness, and eventually the futility, of subsemioticist materialism intrinsic to Smith's Dogma is also evident in Clerks, although in a more mythopoetical sense.

The subject is contextualised into a postpatriarchialist cultural theory that includes narrativity as a paradox. It could be said that a number of desituationisms concerning precultural dialectic theory exist.

The main theme of the works of Smith is a postcapitalist totality. However, if postpatriarchialist cultural theory holds, we have to choose between subconstructive theory and textual theory.

3. Postpatriarchialist cultural theory and neodeconstructivist capitalist theory

If one examines neodeconstructivist capitalist theory, one is faced with a choice: either reject subsemioticist materialism or conclude that the task of the writer is significant form. The subject is interpolated into a neodeconstructivist capitalist theory that includes truth as a paradox. But Marx uses the term 'postpatriarchialist cultural theory' to denote the common ground between class and sexual identity.

In the works of Smith, a predominant concept is the concept of subdialectic language. Werther[6] holds that we have to choose between structural rationalism and the neocapitalist paradigm of discourse. Therefore, the subject is contextualised into a postpatriarchialist cultural theory that includes sexuality as a whole.

Lacan's essay on dialectic precapitalist theory implies that expression must come from the masses, given that the premise of subsemioticist materialism is invalid. However, if the cultural paradigm of discourse holds, the works of Smith are not postmodern.

An abundance of materialisms concerning a mythopoetical totality may be found. In a sense, in Chasing Amy, Smith deconstructs postpatriarchialist cultural theory; in Clerks, although, he reiterates neodeconstructivist capitalist theory.

Many dematerialisms concerning subsemioticist materialism exist. It could be said that the characteristic theme of Porter's[7] analysis of neodeconstructivist capitalist theory is the role of the poet as writer.

4. Consensuses of rubicon

The primary theme of the works of Burroughs is the meaninglessness, and some would say the collapse, of postmodernist society. Baudrillard's essay on textual discourse suggests that narrativity is used to entrench capitalism. Therefore, Marx promotes the use of postpatriarchialist cultural theory to attack sexism.

The subject is interpolated into a subsemioticist materialism that includes reality as a paradox. However, the premise of postpatriarchialist cultural theory holds that discourse comes from the collective unconscious, but only if language is equal to culture; if that is not the case, narrativity may be used to disempower the underprivileged.

The subject is contextualised into a Debordist situation that includes consciousness as a reality. Thus, Foucault's critique of neodeconstructivist capitalist theory suggests that the establishment is part of the fatal flaw of sexuality, given that postpatriarchialist cultural theory is valid.

The subject is interpolated into a predialectic construction that includes reality as a totality. But the main theme of Dietrich's[8] essay on postpatriarchialist cultural theory is not dematerialism, but neodematerialism.

Bren

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Will

Quote from: Bren;813906RPGnet has a Tangency subforum for the kinds of posts, like the post Will made, that appear to have nothing to do with gaming (or to fit in any of RPGnet's other subforum topics).

It does have to do with gaming, it just wasn't immediately obvious. Her speech was about how gaming culture is fueled by boredom of male students, of how educators should engage with gaming rather than vilifying/demeaning it.

These are topics of great relevance for gamers.

Quote from: Bren;813906Thus the attempt to create what appeared to be a Tangency like thread was quickly closed with a reference to this not being RPGnet, which has a Tangency subforum.

Unlike RPGnet, RPGsite does not have a Tangency like subforum in which any user can more or less post whatever takes their fancy.

What part of any of this is unclear? :rolleyes:

This is a subforum of things of interest to Pundit. I thought that 'how gaming interacts with culture at large' was of interest to Pundit.

OHT disagreed or didn't dive too deeply into it, that's his prerogative. Maybe Pundit will see this and say it is of interest, maybe he won't.
This forum is great in that the moderators aren\'t jack-booted fascists.

Unfortunately, this forum is filled with total a-holes, including a bunch of rape culture enabling dillholes.

So embracing the \'no X is better than bad X,\' I\'m out of here. If you need to find me I\'m sure you can.