Frankly, the thing as far as I see it is that I don't particularly WANT a lot of moderators. A lot of moderators end up getting the idea that they have to justify their existence by doing shit. Then they go looking for threads to close or people to ban.
However, I want there to be ENOUGH moderators on here that the site runs smoothly. And given that between my current job and working on my latest RPG book I don't spend quite as much time on here anymore, it might be a good idea to get someone new to replace the recent standing-down of one of the moderation staff.
But I don't want just anyone just to have a mod.
I want someone that most people in the community would agree would be a good mod. Liked, trusted, etc. It's obviously got to be someone who's already racked up a few thousand posts or so.
I want someone who is ABSOLUTELY committed to Free Speech. Who can understand what we do and don't ban for here, and while sometimes they may need to tell me "this dude is way into site disruption, time to ban him", they more often are the ones telling me "are you sure this dude is really deserving a ban?"
I want someone who will be a team player at the same time, and will back the ultimate decisions made here, leaving discussion about it in the back.
So, if you think you qualify, or you think someone else qualifies and want to nominate them, please feel free to say so in this thread.
If we don't end up with anyone, or anyone right this instant, I won't be losing any sleep either.
Given our recent exchange backstage, you know my feelings on how i feel the board is going. We've grown apart, you and i, Pundit, and that sometimes happens, but i'll always enjoy the good old days of battles against the Forge and storygamers, before you started politicising the boards.
My totally honest opinion is JHKim. He is a foot in both camps of trad and non-trad games, a respected poster, and very much invested in free-speech.
Are there any perks at all to being a moderator on theRpgSite? Discounts on Pundit-games? A thank-you and the warm feeling of a job well done? What's in it for the applicant?
Don't take my question to mean I have an interest. I don't meet the post-count criteria nor have the community-hugs. I'm actually curious why anyone would want to deal with what I'd expect to be thankless drudgery.
Blackheart: Well, he DID ask for it...
Cruesader: If you're not going to enforce warnings, don't issue them. He was told not to talk about members killing themselves, and then did it again. Warn or don't, but if you do warn, follow up.
5StoneGames:Admittedly, he thought Asians were smarter than White people, but he definitely believed that cultural elements were expressed genetically and was an avowed racial separatist. Personally this one I'm ambivalent about. Pundit himself said you have to stand the line against a flood of Neo-Nazis shitting up the place. 5StoneGames certainly espoused opinions attractive to the Neo-Nazi/Stormfront/Alt-Right crowd.
Quote from: K Peterson;945858Are there any perks at all to being a moderator on theRpgSite? Discounts on Pundit-games? A thank-you and the warm feeling of a job well done? What's in it for the applicant?
You get to have "this machine kills fascists" under your name in red. You get to see the wondrous backstage mod forum where we never end up talking about anything other than site/technical issues. You get to be blamed for absolutely anything anyone doesn't like about theRPGsite when they aren't blaming me.
QuoteDon't take my question to mean I have an interest. I don't meet the post-count criteria nor have the community-hugs. I'm actually curious why anyone would want to deal with what I'd expect to be thankless drudgery.
Well, here's the only thing: it's also not really drudgery. Because we're a free-speech board, it's almost no work at all. You don't have to actually do anything other than hang out at the site regularly like you were before, unless someone brings up (or you notice) that there's some blatant violation of the tiny number of rules we actually have.
So it's really almost zero work.
Quote from: One Horse Town;945853My totally honest opinion is JHKim. He is a foot in both camps of trad and non-trad games, a respected poster, and very much invested in free-speech.
You might want to message him, if you haven't yet, if you're putting his name forward on here.
Quote from: CRKrueger;945865Blackheart: Well, he DID ask for it...
Cruesader: If you're not going to enforce warnings, don't issue them. He was told not to talk about members killing themselves, and then did it again. Warn or don't, but if you do warn, follow up.
5StoneGames:Admittedly, he thought Asians were smarter than White people, but he definitely believed that cultural elements were expressed genetically and was an avowed racial separatist. Personally this one I'm ambivalent about. Pundit himself said you have to stand the line against a flood of Neo-Nazis shitting up the place. 5StoneGames certainly espoused opinions attractive to the Neo-Nazi/Stormfront/Alt-Right crowd.
This is in the wrong thread. If anywhere, it should be in the OTHER currently active thread in this subforum.
THIS thread is about finding (or not) a new moderator. Please keep it focused on that.
I'll do it. If you don't like how I operate, can me.
I'd back Warboss Squee.
But losing OHT or BB would suck. Both do a great job.
Quote from: Spinachcat;945928I'd back Warboss Squee.
But losing OHT or BB would suck. Both do a great job.
Hey, thanks. Truth be told, losing OHT as a mod would suck just because he and BB have been the only mods since I arrived.
Then again, he's earned a break having to deal with us, because let's face it, we're a bunch of sbit flinging monkies.
Wait, OHT is stepping down? I assumed this was more because there's less mods around than there used to be, what with Benoist and others exiting?
EDit: damn, just saw the thread. Thats a shame. OHT was, in my opinion, the best possible mod.
Anyways, my two cents: JHKim is a good choice, overall, if its a job he wants, and there's a small list of posters I wouldn't want to see as mods, but Warboss Squee isn't on that.
Quote from: CRKrueger;945865Blackheart: Well, he DID ask for it...
Cruesader: If you're not going to enforce warnings, don't issue them. He was told not to talk about members killing themselves, and then did it again. Warn or don't, but if you do warn, follow up.
5StoneGames:Admittedly, he thought Asians were smarter than White people, but he definitely believed that cultural elements were expressed genetically and was an avowed racial separatist. Personally this one I'm ambivalent about. Pundit himself said you have to stand the line against a flood of Neo-Nazis shitting up the place. 5StoneGames certainly espoused opinions attractive to the Neo-Nazi/Stormfront/Alt-Right crowd.
Was Blackheart actually banned? If so,its fine, the guy had a public meltdown/temper tantrum, but I would have found it more hilarious if his request to be banned was just ignored.
5Stonegames and BST are the only posters actually banned for racism I can remember, and yeah, I was for that. Free Speech doesn't need to mean no moderation, and blatant racism just doesn't deserve any tolerance.
I think I made my opinions on Crusader pretty blatantly known, and while I've conscientiously avoided any gravedancing, the guy was also a racist, that just isn't the shit he got called on.
The only ban on this site since I've been here I've had any objection to was Phillip, to be honest.
Cruesader ignored a mod warning (a super rare thing here) so I can't oppose his banning, but I must disagree with Tristram on his characterization of Cruesader as a racist. Cruesader declared himself a veteran with diverse war buddies and an African-American ex-wife who he openly praised. He may have suffered from a terminal case of Internet Tough Guy syndrome, but I never saw him as a racist.
BTW, I also support JHKim if he wants the mod gig.
But I'm really unsure if that's an honor or punishment.
Quote from: Spinachcat;945967Cruesader ignored a mod warning (a super rare thing here) so I can't oppose his banning, but I must disagree with Tristram on his characterization of Cruesader as a racist. Cruesader declared himself a veteran with diverse war buddies and an African-American ex-wife who he openly praised. He may have suffered from a terminal case of Internet Tough Guy syndrome, but I never saw him as a racist.
Perhaps you missed the thread where he gave his opinions on Native Americans and crime in African American communities.
Quote from: Tristram Evans;945972Perhaps you missed the thread where he gave his opinions on Native Americans and crime in African American communities.
Oh no! Somebody has an opinion about an ethnic group!
Anyway I would nominate Spinachcat for the job. S/he has always struck me as somebody that is willing to listen to people, however I don't know if she has any connections to RPG.net, although I do remember somebody with the Spinachcat handle posting over there, to be honest I fucking hate that place with a passion and think anybody that has been a mod there should be automatically disqualified for being an insufferable faggot.
Not sure about Warboss Squee, haven't interacted with him enough to form an opinion of him.
Charming Edgelord.
Quote from: Bucket;946295Oh no! Somebody has an opinion about an ethnic group!
Couldn't have summed up the essence of racism better myself. Cheers
Quote from: Tristram Evans;946315Couldn't have summed up the essence of racism better myself. Cheers
Racism would be having a negative opinion about an ethnic group. Just having an opinion about an ethnic group is common sense. For instance English people like to drink tea, that is my opinion. English people suck at rugby, that is racism.
Quote from: Bucket;946319Racism would be having a negative opinion about an ethnic group. Just having an opinion about an ethnic group is common sense. For instance English people like to drink tea, that is my opinion. English people suck at rugby, that is racism.
Well, since the example being discussed doesn't involve any positive stereotypes, this is a bit of a strawman objection, but still, I disagree. A stereotype doesn't have to be negative to be a stereotype. The problem with ethnic stereotypes is the underlying attitude that treats people as part of a collective rather than individuals. And moreover, that stereotypes are ALWAYS wrong,no matter what. Factually, not all English people like to drink tea;the minute the statement is made, you've committed a falsehood. Negative stereotypes are certainly more hostile, but
any type of stereotype is a form of intellectual dishonesty and advocation of collectivist thought.
"Being English" isn't a Race.
Stereotypes, whether positive or negative, do not by themselves indicate superiority/inferiority in relation to another group.
Someone could go on a tirade about how much they hate black people on welfare, in gangs, dealing drugs, etc...and if they didn't think black people did that because they were black and hated "trailer trash" whites who do the exact same thing, then they're not racist.
The word Bigotry exists for a reason.
How are we having this discussion in this thread?
Quote from: Bucket;946295Anyway I would nominate Spinachcat for the job.
What have I ever done to you? :)
Being a mod sucks. Just ask OHT.
I couldn't be a mod here because I will defend the right for people to express the WORST speech. To me, SJWs and Neo-Nutzis both have the right to made their idiot noises...in the appropriate forum...BUT that may not be the best thing for the continued success of theRPGsite.
Maybe theRPGsite needs to drown out any political speech and even purge Pundency in the name of 24/7 games only chat?
Maybe RPGPundit needs to open a free speech political forum separate from theRPGsite where all us nutters can run amok?
BTW, my connection with RPG.net is that I'm still a member there (never a mod, rarely post anymore, but I keep a finger in the design forums), as I am on a number of forums. But this wretched hive of scum and villainy is my primary stomping ground.
Quote from: CRKrueger;946374The word Bigotry exists for a reason.
As a bludgeon against anyone who disagrees with the politics du jour?
Oh wait, you mean the word
used to have a meaning.
Quote from: Warboss Squee;946375How are we having this discussion in this thread?
Maybe you should moderate it?
Trial by fire Squee!!
Quote from: Warboss Squee;946375How are we having this discussion in this thread?
I do what the alcohol tells me
Not it!
(I moderate a Facebook Group and my bullshit filter got clogged recently after I had to ban a nutter for advocating violence against another poster who he thought was a neo-Nazi because of how that poster used punctuation.)
Quote from: Spinachcat;946385As a bludgeon against anyone who disagrees with the politics du jour?
Oh wait, you mean the word used to have a meaning.
Yes, and how was it? Racism is the weakest accusation of our age? :rolleyes:
QuoteMaybe theRPGsite needs to drown out any political speech and even purge Pundency in the name of 24/7 games only chat?
That'd be a swell idea, but it hadn't happened for last 5 years people were talking about it, it won't happen now.
The problem is that gaming has become politicised by various elements of the whining classes. It's hard to separate the gaming hobby from the adults who are ashamed of it and themselves and thus try to force gaming into their political ideologies. It won't go away, the internet might just be too much free speech, or rather too much access to broad audiences. I'm too much of a frothing idiot to be a moderator. Maybe we should invite Cessna :D
Quote from: Tristram Evans;946411I do what the alcohol tells me
Hell, with that mindset you might be the most qualified for the opening.
Quote from: K Peterson;946446Hell, with that mindset you might be the most qualified for the opening.
heh my (new) low post count keeps me out of the running :)
Quote from: Spinachcat;946385Maybe theRPGsite needs to drown out any political speech and even purge Pundency in the name of 24/7 games only chat?
You can't get rid of Pundit's Forum, however OHT shutting down most of the threads as they descended into fire-breathing crazy was the job I appreciated the most. If I were to mod, which I think with some certainty is an incredibly unlikely event, it would be the one action I would want clearance on.
Outside of Pundit posts from Pundit, any other thread in that forum shouldn't live much more than 100 posts. This is an RPG forum dammit!
I'll try to be quicker to close threads on the Pundit Forum when they devolve, in the future.
Quote from: Tristram Evans;946411I do what the alcohol tells me
Tequila has the highest Wisdom score!
Quote from: Rincewind1;946430Racism is the weakest accusation of our age? :rolleyes:
It's 2017, the -Isms and -Ists are played out.
They've been weakened by improper use and outraged overuse by both the mainstream media and the denizens of social media to the point that these once meaningful terms now have all the mighty strength of "neener, neener" or "pants on fire".
The only people left who get offended or chastised by those labels are those who chose to be.
Quote from: RPGPundit;946556I'll try to be quicker to close threads on the Pundit Forum when they devolve, in the future.
Thank you.
Quote from: Spinachcat;946564It's 2017, the -Isms and -Ists are played out.
They've been weakened by improper use and outraged overuse by both the mainstream media and the denizens of social media to the point that these once meaningful terms now have all the mighty strength of "neener, neener" or "pants on fire".
The only people left who get offended or chastised by those labels are those who chose to be.
That's a very convoluted and polite way of saying you don't think anyone can be called racist anymore. Which no offence, but since I don't care for another prolonged conflict - is a tremendous oversimplified pile of bullshit.
Quote from: Rincewind1;946614That's a very convoluted and polite way of saying you don't think anyone can be called racist anymore. Which no offence, but since I don't care for another prolonged conflict - is a tremendous oversimplified pile of bullshit.
Tell that to the people who call anyone and anything racist, sexist, homophobic over the slightest nuance in opinion. They're the ones that are giving people Ist-Fatigue and thus providing cover for actual Ists to exist. The Boy Who Cried Wolf may be a very simple story, but it still applies today.
Quote from: CRKrueger;946623Tell that to the people who call anyone and anything racist, sexist, homophobic over the slightest nuance in opinion. They're the ones that are giving people Ist-Fatigue and thus providing cover for actual Ists to exist. The Boy Who Cried Wolf may be a very simple story, but it still applies today.
As I said - if you want to use Boy Who Cried Wolf as an excuse to say that there are no more wolves in the world, be my guest, this isn't a kind of forum where I really care to explain why that's bullshit again and again, it's a gaming forum. Keep such philosophical gems in Pungency, and I couldn't really care less.
And we can decry the horrible atrocity of Free Speech, but last I bloody remember, when Kewlmarine or whatever that dumb fuck's nick was threatening female posters with violence, nobody gave two fucks when he was sent to the cooler, but now violent assholes need to be protected because otherwise Team Liberal might score a fucking point on a bloody RPG forum,
and we lose one of the few mods actually doing the janitorial job left here in the process. If you want to pretend nobody's rotten on this forum, as I said - keep the rot to the Pungency at the very least.
Quote from: Rincewind1;946642As I said - if you want to use Boy Who Cried Wolf as an excuse to say that there are no more wolves in the world, be my guest, this isn't a kind of forum where I really care to explain why that's bullshit again and again, it's a gaming forum. Keep such philosophical gems in Pungency, and I couldn't really care less.
And we can decry the horrible atrocity of Free Speech, but last I bloody remember, when Kewlmarine or whatever that dumb fuck's nick was threatening female posters with violence, nobody gave two fucks when he was sent to the cooler, but now violent assholes need to be protected because otherwise Team Liberal might score a fucking point on a bloody RPG forum, and we lose one of the few mods actually doing the janitorial job left here in the process. If you want to pretend nobody's rotten on this forum, as I said - keep the rot to the Pungency at the very least.
Feel like pointing out where 5StoneGames or Herr Bludworth have threatened anyone? Otherwise what's the point? Cruesader was referring to posters killing themselves and
got banned for it So who is the violent asshole still running around?...and yes, I will be continually asking you this until you name the name or fess up to being a little hyperbolic.
Nice try with the "No Wolves", but it's a little closer to "I live in a big city, and I hear people cry Wolf! 7 times day and after the 12,000th time, I stopped fucking looking."
You call everyone you disagree with Hitler, Hitler starts to not look so bad, how the hell can you not understand that? Roaches like Spencer are getting space to breathe because of this horseshit.
Quote from: CRKrueger;946646Feel like pointing out where 5StoneGames or Herr Bludworth have threatened anyone? Otherwise what's the point? Cruesader was referring to posters killing themselves and got banned for it So who is the violent asshole still running around?...and yes, I will be continually asking you this until you name the name or fess up to being a little hyperbolic.
Nice try with the "No Wolves", but it's a little closer to "I live in a big city, and I hear people cry Wolf! 7 times day and after the 12,000th time, I stopped fucking looking."
You call everyone you disagree with Hitler, Hitler starts to not look so bad, how the hell can you not understand that? Roaches like Spencer are getting space to breathe because of this horseshit.
I'm well aware of that last part, and I agree, but as you say yourself - discipline needs to go both ways. Giving Spencer a space in order to spite the other team Crying Wolf all the time is cutting of your nose to spite your face.
And do check OHT's post, it is obvious that some controversy regarding even banning of Cruesader has taken place. As for 5StoneGames - well if you think it's still crying wolf in his case, I can't do much about it. The guy maybe doesn't deserve to be drawn and quartered, but I don't think 'racial realists' are an especially welcoming addition to the forum.
Quote from: Rincewind1;946614That's a very convoluted and polite way of saying you don't think anyone can be called racist anymore.
You can call people all the -ists you like all day long. Call me all the -ists you like!
I'm pro-Freedom of Speech. You have the absolute right to misuse and abuse terms until they have no meaning to anyone.
Warboss Squee, Spinchcat: +1
Jhkim: can't agree but given out tumultuous past I can't claim that's unbiased.
Quote from: Spinachcat;946969You can call people all the -ists you like all day long. Call me all the -ists you like!
I'm pro-Freedom of Speech. You have the absolute right to misuse and abuse terms until they have no meaning to anyone.
Why would I? Neither naive, stupid, ideologically blinded nor innocent ends on -ist, and one of those would be the best descriptor of what I'd call you after the long argument why you think all speech needs to be heard equally and whether all ideas are created equal (as false as it is in practice, because I am pretty sure I can go right now to Breitbart and somehow their free speech doctrine won't compel them to publish my 10 Reasons To Reform Capitalism article). Stupid you haven't shown, neither you can be innocent after so long in Los Angeles, which leaves naive or ideologically blinded, both conditions which preclude any attempt to reason from being successful. I'll go with ideologically blinded.
Quote from: Rincewind1;947023I'll go with ideologically blinded.
Oh goddamn it, there goes another Irony Meter. I'm going to have to put them on Recurring Delivery at Amazon. :D
Quote from: CRKrueger;947032Oh goddamn it, there goes another Irony Meter. I'm going to have to put them on Recurring Delivery at Amazon. :D
Oh, I know I'm biased, but I hardly think saying that actual, open racists are unwelcome places me left of Lenin. Everyone's biased, not everyone's biased to the point of swallowing every piece of their ideological dogma without water.
Quote from: Rincewind1;947035Oh, I know I'm biased, but I hardly think saying that actual, open racists are unwelcome places me left of Lenin. Everyone's biased, not everyone's biased to the point of swallowing every piece of their ideological dogma without water.
The problem with the State possessing tools of Control is that if they are allowed, they are allowed, no matter who is in charge. It's like Executive Orders. The Democrats and Repubicans love them when their party controls the White House, when the other side is in, they are the Ultimate Threat to America. You give the State the power to pass laws restricting speech, then they will restrict speech...depending on who is in power.
You think it's possible to keep Authoritarian measures to be used only on the side of the Angels. You are terribly, horribly wrong.
Quote from: CRKrueger;947043The problem with the State possessing tools of Control is that if they are allowed, they are allowed, no matter who is in charge. It's like Executive Orders. The Democrats and Repubicans love them when their party controls the White House, when the other side is in, they are the Ultimate Threat to America. You give the State the power to pass laws restricting speech, then they will restrict speech...depending on who is in power.
You think it's possible to keep Authoritarian measures to be used only on the side of the Angels. You are terribly, horribly wrong.
1) Banning racists is not some terrible tool of Authoritarianism that'll crush all the free spirits, it's getting rid of the open fuckheads.
2) And you think it's possible that terrible ideas will be rejected by the Sensible Common Man, because he is Sensible, and he will protest those ideas when he sees them. You are terribly, horribly wrong, and the state of discussion in Pungency goes to show that in practice, not some wishy-washy theory.
3) Newsflash - that happens either way, restriction of speech on whoever is opposed to power. And that's before you take into account that money can censor much more effectively than the state, by simply not giving a platform.
I wouldn't mind the work. Free speech is the cornerstone of a creative world.
Quote from: Rincewind1;9470451) Banning racists is not some terrible tool of Authoritarianism that'll crush all the free spirits, it's getting rid of the open fuckheads.
Jesus Christ are you naive. Who defines the term racist? How will it be applied? Once you remove "Congress Shall Make No Law" you realize that they can make any law, right...RIGHT? You actually think it will stop at Group X. That's literally the stupidest thing I've ever seen you post.
Quote from: Rincewind1;947045And you think it's possible that terrible ideas will be rejected by the Sensible Common Man, because he is Sensible, and he will protest those ideas when he sees them.
Nope, people can and will be duped, and it's even easier to dupe them when you silence all open speech on something, because then speech will occur not in the open, but underground where it can fester and grow instead of being openly mocked and derided. If we have a group of people in this country who openly support a fucktard like Spencer, then we need them out in the open, we need to debate them and expose them. You will never have a chance at changing anyone's mind if you don't talk to them. Wanting to silence someone only proves that you are afraid of them, and that lends strength to their beliefs and makes it easier for them to recruit people.
Quote from: Rincewind1;9470453) Newsflash - that happens either way, restriction of speech on whoever is opposed to power. And that's before you take into account that money can censor much more effectively than the state, by simply not giving a platform.
You're being ridiculously short-sighted if not blind. There's an argument to be made about the Corporate Takeover of America and how the mainstream media companies and telecommunications companies can silence speech, but that is completely divorced from legislation which assigns
Criminal Penalty to such speech (and they will assign criminal penalty once something is outlawed) and can enforce it with the legal system.
Quote from: CRKrueger;947057Jesus Christ are you naive. Who defines the term racist? How will it be applied? Once you remove "Congress Shall Make No Law" you realize that they can make any law, right...RIGHT? You actually think it will stop at Group X. That's literally the stupidest thing I've ever seen you post.
Nope, people can and will be duped, and it's even easier to dupe them when you silence all open speech on something, because then speech will occur not in the open, but underground where it can fester and grow instead of being openly mocked and derided. If we have a group of people in this country who openly support a fucktard like Spencer, then we need them out in the open, we need to debate them and expose them. You will never have a chance at changing anyone's mind if you don't talk to them. Wanting to silence someone only proves that you are afraid of them, and that lends strength to their beliefs and makes it easier for them to recruit people.
Sure, I'm the naive one. You forgot to say it's left's fault that Spencer exists, and we can have the Hand-Wringing bingo over. You know what also makes it easy to recruit people? Exposition, like on national media and stuff. As I said - if you think you can be Atticus Finch and prove those wacky racial realists every time they show here how silly they are, hey - where were you when 5Stone was giving his great speeches about blacks being predisposed to being less intelligent than whites? I didn't see you calling out on his bullshit, jhkim was, everyone else was fine to go along and nod solemnly.
QuoteYou're being ridiculously short-sighted if not blind. There's an argument to be made about the Corporate Takeover of America and how the mainstream media companies and telecommunications companies can silence speech, but that is completely divorced from legislation which assigns Criminal Penalty to such speech (and they will assign criminal penalty once something is outlawed) and can enforce it with the legal system.
I'm talking state of this forum, not State of the Union address. You want 'racial realists' around - be my guest, go ahead and convince Pundit they need a platform, I couldn't give two shits less about your libertarian approach to Free Speech regarding racists, it's not my litterbox after all, and I'm sure you can explain to Pundit enough how racists need a right to speak out their mind too, and as long as you all keep to Pungency I guess I can live with it. And you are ridiculously short sighted yourself - you have cockroaches in your kitchen, and you think everything's fine, because they keep telling you that you have to let them keep on breeding, or the Left Will Win.
Yeah, I was completely silent...
Quote from: CRKrueger;943432Yeah...that was...just...wow.
I mean even if we do manage to fully map both our genetic code and the brain (the tools for which haven't even been invented yet), what we'll find is more infrastructure-related. X amount of neurons firing per second, Y amount of storage, Z amount of total neural connections.
For there to be difference in genetic populations there has to be a way to select for genetic difference. If Pure Western Whitey has the Freedom and Democracy genes how does that explain Middle Ages Monarchies? How does that explain the current crop of young white Brits and Americans that want to throw away the heritage of freedom for ideological repression? The Middle East was once a center of science and learning before the coming of Abrahamic Faith 3.0, where's the major genetic change to explain that? Are the Westboro Baptists explained by genetics?
If we ever get to the level where we can say that Democracy as an idea is a provable specific cocktail of chemicals in the brain (which it would have to be for it to be genetically controlled) then it still doesn't matter because then we'll also have the science to inject you with the Democracy Retrovirus that will rewrite your DNA and give you Democracy Pills to ensure the proper chemical output.
The idea that the current mixture of cultures and religions in the middle east won't accept Western Democracy at the barrel of a gun pushed from the outside by a foreign invader is pretty fucking obvious. The idea that the people themselves are incapable of it is Unabomber levels of crazy. Just look at Iran before the Islamic Revolution.
There were other posts as well, weird that you forgot this one since I was specifically replying to you, but at this point you're not actually thinking, you're just trying to win by any means necessary like a good little zealot.
Quote from: CRKrueger;947060Yeah, I was completely silent...
There were other posts as well, weird that you forgot this one since I was specifically replying to you, but at this point you're not actually thinking, you're just trying to win by any means necessary like a good little zealot.
Except that's a different poster, S'mon, not 5Stone, which should say you something about state of the forum when you don't even know which of the 'racial realist' posters your opponent mentions :D.
And please, I know you think yourself a marker of objectivity, but "Racists deserve platform of speech too" is not a moderate position, not by a fucking longshot, so spare me the patronization.
Quote from: Rincewind1;947061Except that's a different poster, S'mon, not 5Stone, which should say you something about state of the forum when you don't even know which of the 'racial realist' posters your opponent mentions :D.
Ok, you got me there.
But if you want to point to Jkim calling out 5StoneGames on his bullshit, Jkim is also the author of a thread questioning the ban. He believes in debating him, not silencing him.
Quote from: Rincewind1;947061And please, I know you think yourself a marker of objectivity, but "Racists deserve platform of speech too" is not a moderate position, not by a fucking longshot, so spare me the patronization.
The fact that it isn't a moderate position explains nearly everything wrong with the Left.
There is absolutely no way that you can institute control over ideas via legislation by the state without opening yourself to abuses and the silencing of any idea.
Quote from: CRKrueger;947066Ok, you got me there.
But if you want to point to Jkim calling out 5StoneGames on his bullshit, Jkim is also the author of a thread questioning the ban. He believes in debating him, not silencing him.
Perhaps he has less cynical view of racial realists than I do, or he imagines an Internet argument with one might legitimately change one. I on the other hand, consider the pack nodding their heads solemnly. I'm fine with a debate. I don't think RPG forum is necessarily the best place to debate 'racial realists.' as it lacks context for many of the solemn nodding heads. And if you want to say that solemn heads aren't an issue, well - freedoms and vigilance, you know how it goes.
QuoteThe fact that it isn't a moderate position explains nearly everything wrong with the Left.
There is absolutely no way that you can institute control over ideas via legislation by the state without opening yourself to abuses and the silencing of any idea.
And the fact that you think racists deserve an equal platform explains everything wrong with the Right. There's absolutely no way that you can allow radical ideas to roam equally in the media in times of crisis and not expect a bunch of desperate fools to swallow them, especially when big money starts to back them up. Hells, it's fine to call for violence as long as it's law-mandated violence.
Look, we can do this all day - as I said, it's not my sandbox, you can petition Pundit, and if the Demographics is Destiny crowd keeps to the Pungency with their ideas, I guess I'll have to live with that.
Hells, if we're unbanning "unjustly banned", why not BT? Or Mythusmage? I mean, BT was posting shocker porn, all right, but Mythusmage? "All" the guy did was defending paedophilia, don't trounce on his free speech. After all, it's not like there's nuance to ideas and principles, it's black and white. In fact, why not discuss that right now.
Yikes, things do seem to be circling the bowl already. Without someone like OHT around to shut down the threads when they get bug crazy this forum will get infected with stormfronters and conspiracy mongers in no time.
Quote from: Voros;947090Yikes, things do seem to be circling the bowl already. Without someone like OHT around to shut down the threads when they get bug crazy this forum will get infected with stormfronters and conspiracy mongers in no time.
Not really. The problem is that threads like these will continue to be sidetracked by bullshit completely irrelevant to the actual topic at hand. The last 2 pages are proof enough.
If nominated I will not run, if elected I will not serve.
On the other hand, if I were a mod the most common reason for bans would be "You're banned because I haven't had my coffee" or "You're banned because my diet's been short on fiber lately."
Quote from: Warboss Squee;945926I'll do it. If you don't like how I operate, can me.
You're not a bad candidate. Except that I have trouble trusting a man with no profile avatar...
Quote from: Rincewind1;947023I'll go with ideologically blinded.
You're right. I am "ideologically blind" on the issue of Freedom of Speech.
You like "radical" ideas like women voting, gay marriage or child labor laws?
If so, thank my ideologically blinded brethren who stood for Free Speech so such "unacceptable" and "radical" ideas could be spoken in the public forum.
But Free Speech is a double edged sword.
For every "progressive", "nice" or "good" radical idea that must be allowed to be discussed, there are many, many terrible words whose right to be spoken is equally important.
Because depending on the era and the culture, what you call "good", the majority may call "evil".
Quote from: Rincewind1;9470451) Banning racists is not some terrible tool of Authoritarianism that'll crush all the free spirits, it's getting rid of the open fuckheads.
I have already publicly stated on this forum that MAYBE the best step forward for theRPGsite is banning any "racial realists" or "race supremacists" because MAYBE any free speech zone would become populated with their kind, and that would damage the site.
The more I think about it, the more I support RPGPundit using his Urbanski persona to create a political Free Speech forum separate from theRPGsite. I am sure it would draw LOTS of people and attention and WTF knows how fun, sick and/or berserk it could get.
Then all political spank and wank could be purged from here.
Quote from: RPGPundit;947147You're not a bad candidate. Except that I have trouble trusting a man with no profile avatar...
That's not much of a hurdle.
I ran as ST in a couple of World of Darkness chats so I know what is like to be hated on. This forum site with all of its "racism and problematic posts" is nothing to the hell holes I dealt with.
I stand for free speech even if it is free speech I don't like.
I hate the ideas of social justice with its bullshit identity politics and like Sargon I hate the ideas of the alt right with their bullshit identity politics.
Not to mention I have free time.
Hell my avatar is a crappy drawing of a snowman casting a spell and flipping everyone off.
So yes I will nominate myself. Only thing I don't have is a computer (using Kindle tablet), and I am no tech expert. Don't like me you can just fire me, or not hire me.
Though in fairness do not hire jhkim. I do not trust him.
Quote from: RPGPundit;947147You're not a bad candidate. Except that I have trouble trusting a man with no profile avatar...
If you can't show a piece of yourself in a picture, what is this world coming to!
The RPG forum is already going to seed. You should pick someone. I'm in the same post count range as Dan and Brendan and an IT person so could help Brett if he needed it. I'll toss my hat in the ring.
If it helps I would vote for CRKrueger.
It would help if no one decided to shit up this thread in the first place.
I know I'm not a super poster or all ways the most intelligent of posters here but I say give Warboss Squee, CRKrueger, or Snowman0147 the job they are all level headed and should do a good job.
Thank you.
I can't pretend to be level headed. But I can promise to hate equally.
Thanks to all of you who made suggestions or offered to do the job. We've now selected a new moderator: Estar.