Quote from: Tristram Evans;946411I do what the alcohol tells me

Tequila has the highest Wisdom score!

Quote from: Rincewind1;946430Racism is the weakest accusation of our age? :rolleyes:

It's 2017, the -Isms and -Ists are played out.

They've been weakened by improper use and outraged overuse by both the mainstream media and the denizens of social media to the point that these once meaningful terms now have all the mighty strength of "neener, neener" or "pants on fire".

The only people left who get offended or chastised by those labels are those who chose to be.

Quote from: RPGPundit;946556I'll try to be quicker to close threads on the Pundit Forum when they devolve, in the future.

Thank you.

Quote from: Spinachcat;946564It's 2017, the -Isms and -Ists are played out.

They've been weakened by improper use and outraged overuse by both the mainstream media and the denizens of social media to the point that these once meaningful terms now have all the mighty strength of "neener, neener" or "pants on fire".

The only people left who get offended or chastised by those labels are those who chose to be.

That's a very convoluted and polite way of saying you don't think anyone can be called racist anymore. Which no offence, but since I don't care for another prolonged conflict - is a tremendous oversimplified pile of bullshit.

Quote from: Rincewind1;946614That's a very convoluted and polite way of saying you don't think anyone can be called racist anymore. Which no offence, but since I don't care for another prolonged conflict - is a tremendous oversimplified pile of bullshit.

Tell that to the people who call anyone and anything racist, sexist, homophobic over the slightest nuance in opinion.  They're the ones that are giving people Ist-Fatigue and thus providing cover for actual Ists to exist.  The Boy Who Cried Wolf may be a very simple story, but it still applies today.

Quote from: CRKrueger;946623Tell that to the people who call anyone and anything racist, sexist, homophobic over the slightest nuance in opinion.  They're the ones that are giving people Ist-Fatigue and thus providing cover for actual Ists to exist.  The Boy Who Cried Wolf may be a very simple story, but it still applies today.

As I said - if you want to use Boy Who Cried Wolf as an excuse to say that there are no more wolves in the world, be my guest, this isn't a kind of forum where I really care to explain why that's bullshit again and again, it's a gaming forum. Keep such philosophical gems in Pungency, and I couldn't really care less.

And we can decry the horrible atrocity of Free Speech, but last I bloody remember, when Kewlmarine or whatever that dumb fuck's nick was threatening female posters with violence, nobody gave two fucks when he was sent to the cooler, but now violent assholes need to be protected because otherwise Team Liberal might score a fucking point on a bloody RPG forum, and we lose one of the few mods actually doing the janitorial job left here in the process. If you want to pretend nobody's rotten on this forum, as I said - keep the rot to the Pungency at the very least.

Quote from: Rincewind1;946642As I said - if you want to use Boy Who Cried Wolf as an excuse to say that there are no more wolves in the world, be my guest, this isn't a kind of forum where I really care to explain why that's bullshit again and again, it's a gaming forum. Keep such philosophical gems in Pungency, and I couldn't really care less.

And we can decry the horrible atrocity of Free Speech, but last I bloody remember, when Kewlmarine or whatever that dumb fuck's nick was threatening female posters with violence, nobody gave two fucks when he was sent to the cooler, but now violent assholes need to be protected because otherwise Team Liberal might score a fucking point on a bloody RPG forum, and we lose one of the few mods actually doing the janitorial job left here in the process. If you want to pretend nobody's rotten on this forum, as I said - keep the rot to the Pungency at the very least.

Feel like pointing out where 5StoneGames or Herr Bludworth have threatened anyone?  Otherwise what's the point?  Cruesader was referring to posters killing themselves and got banned for it  So who is the violent asshole still running around?...and yes, I will be continually asking you this until you name the name or fess up to being a little hyperbolic.

Nice try with the "No Wolves", but it's a little closer to "I live in a big city, and I hear people cry Wolf! 7 times day and after the 12,000th time, I stopped fucking looking."

You call everyone you disagree with Hitler, Hitler starts to not look so bad, how the hell can you not understand that?  Roaches like Spencer are getting space to breathe because of this horseshit.

Quote from: CRKrueger;946646Feel like pointing out where 5StoneGames or Herr Bludworth have threatened anyone?  Otherwise what's the point?  Cruesader was referring to posters killing themselves and got banned for it  So who is the violent asshole still running around?...and yes, I will be continually asking you this until you name the name or fess up to being a little hyperbolic.

Nice try with the "No Wolves", but it's a little closer to "I live in a big city, and I hear people cry Wolf! 7 times day and after the 12,000th time, I stopped fucking looking."

You call everyone you disagree with Hitler, Hitler starts to not look so bad, how the hell can you not understand that?  Roaches like Spencer are getting space to breathe because of this horseshit.

I'm well aware of that last part, and I agree, but as you say yourself - discipline needs to go both ways. Giving Spencer a space in order to spite the other team Crying Wolf all the time is cutting of your nose to spite your face.

And do check OHT's post, it is obvious that some controversy regarding even banning of Cruesader has taken place. As for 5StoneGames - well if you think it's still crying wolf in his case, I can't do much about it. The guy maybe doesn't deserve to be drawn and quartered, but I don't think 'racial realists' are an especially welcoming addition to the forum.

Quote from: Rincewind1;946614That's a very convoluted and polite way of saying you don't think anyone can be called racist anymore.

You can call people all the -ists you like all day long. Call me all the -ists you like!

I'm pro-Freedom of Speech. You have the absolute right to misuse and abuse terms until they have no meaning to anyone.

Warboss Squee, Spinchcat: +1

Jhkim: can't agree but given out tumultuous past I can't claim that's unbiased.

Quote from: Spinachcat;946969You can call people all the -ists you like all day long. Call me all the -ists you like!

I'm pro-Freedom of Speech. You have the absolute right to misuse and abuse terms until they have no meaning to anyone.

Why would I? Neither naive, stupid, ideologically blinded nor innocent ends on -ist, and one of those would be the best descriptor of what I'd call you after the long argument why you think all speech needs to be heard equally and whether all ideas are created equal (as false as it is in practice, because I am pretty sure I can go right now to Breitbart and somehow their free speech doctrine won't compel them to publish my 10 Reasons To Reform Capitalism article). Stupid you haven't shown, neither you can be innocent after so long in Los Angeles, which leaves naive or ideologically blinded, both conditions which preclude any attempt to reason from being successful. I'll go with ideologically blinded.

Quote from: Rincewind1;947023I'll go with ideologically blinded.

Oh goddamn it, there goes another Irony Meter.  I'm going to have to put them on Recurring Delivery at Amazon.

Quote from: CRKrueger;947032Oh goddamn it, there goes another Irony Meter.  I'm going to have to put them on Recurring Delivery at Amazon.

Oh, I know I'm biased, but I hardly think saying that actual, open racists are unwelcome places me left of Lenin. Everyone's biased, not everyone's biased to the point of swallowing every piece of their ideological dogma without water.

Quote from: Rincewind1;947035Oh, I know I'm biased, but I hardly think saying that actual, open racists are unwelcome places me left of Lenin. Everyone's biased, not everyone's biased to the point of swallowing every piece of their ideological dogma without water.

The problem with the State possessing tools of Control is that if they are allowed, they are allowed, no matter who is in charge.  It's like Executive Orders.  The Democrats and Repubicans love them when their party controls the White House, when the other side is in, they are the Ultimate Threat to America.  You give the State the power to pass laws restricting speech, then they will restrict speech...depending on who is in power.

You think it's possible to keep Authoritarian measures to be used only on the side of the Angels.  You are terribly, horribly wrong.

Quote from: CRKrueger;947043The problem with the State possessing tools of Control is that if they are allowed, they are allowed, no matter who is in charge.  It's like Executive Orders.  The Democrats and Repubicans love them when their party controls the White House, when the other side is in, they are the Ultimate Threat to America.  You give the State the power to pass laws restricting speech, then they will restrict speech...depending on who is in power.

You think it's possible to keep Authoritarian measures to be used only on the side of the Angels.  You are terribly, horribly wrong.

1) Banning racists is not some terrible tool of Authoritarianism that'll crush all the free spirits, it's getting rid of the open fuckheads.

2) And you think it's possible that terrible ideas will be rejected by the Sensible Common Man, because he is Sensible, and he will protest those ideas when he sees them. You are terribly, horribly wrong, and the state of discussion in Pungency goes to show that in practice, not some wishy-washy theory.

3) Newsflash - that happens either way, restriction of speech on whoever is opposed to power. And that's before you take into account that money can censor much more effectively than the state, by simply not giving a platform.

I wouldn't mind the work.  Free speech is the cornerstone of a creative world.