Quote from: Koltar;302425Darn.

Looks like I didn't get invited to the new 'cool' site.

- Ed C.

Consider yourself invited...?

Quote from: J Arcane;302427I'm going to laugh and laugh and laugh when the Forge/Storygames folks realize the Haven is an open season territory.

Andy has been pimping the site regularly on Storygames so they are quite aware. Several of them have posted constructively.

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb;302428Well, HinterWelt...or is it Bill?

It is Bill.

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb;302428It's hard for me to keep track of everyone around here. I probably shouldn't use the term "poaching", as I don't really think it's intentional on your part. I also don't believe you want this site destroyed at all, and I definitely don't see you as malicious, but your site is absolutely a reaction against this one. That's not the end of the world! Just be honest with yourself about it. Remember, this place was also initially a reaction against another website (the anti-rpgnet site! :emot-v:), but eventually, that changed. I don't know when it happened exactly, but therpgsite eventually adopted an identity all its own.

Here is the thing, I feel I am failing at communicating the idea. Yes, part of it is theRPGSite. However, if say, RPG.net was a site I was comfortable posting at, I would have just lessened my posting here and picked up there. However, RPG,Net is not. Nor is EnWorld. So, I have no problem with saying the Haven, for my part as I am a co-founder, is a reaction in part to theRPGSite but you have to admit, others in this thread would define it as nothing more than that. I disagree with this. We have many poster from other sources, original threads with interesting responses. So, where other peoples characterization is to say it is all, I think it has been a misunderstanding that I am saying it is nothing. The truth is actually between.

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb;302428The very same thing could happen for your website. Traffic there already looks healthier than the d20haven ever did, so maybe it'll work out.

I hope so. And it might tank tomorrow. Or we might get the united army of CavScout. There will be growing pains but hopefully folks will give it a chance.

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb;302428ENWorld became annoying for me, because it became bloody, civil war between the 3e and 4e fanbase. It was beginning to transform into the d20 version of rpgnet when 4e came out, as posters were resorting to rpgnet-style passive-aggressive asshattery in order to flame someone who'd insulted their precious sensibilities. And as for rpgnet itself? I still visit there, but rarely post, as the moderation there actually made it the opposite of a friendly and emotionally safe environment, in which passive-aggressive bullshit ruled the day. So I came here.

And see, that is much the way I saw it. I just can add that I visit those sites and still post. I would like to think I could still do so here but I think that will be problematic. I knew that going into this though.

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb;302428I came here, because I'm not in the least bit worried about being banned. If I get into an argument with Abyssal Maw over 4e or some other shit, it will eventually end, and then we can have a normal discussion over something else, without anyone getting banned. Contrary to popular belief, this isn't really a complete war zone , and it's hard to get banned, unless it's one's intent to do so.

I agree. It is not a fear of banning that is my concern with this site. That is why I say, sure, I do not like pundit or more to the point the imaginary persona, but more a cultural thing. It is important to note, I have not issued any "You must post on the Haven only". I do not for a second think people will choose any one site to post on or that I should have some claim over them because they choose to post on a site I run. Want to hang out here but visit every now and then, great! Want to work up some hate for the Haven because of imagined slights, I feel sorry for those folks but do what makes you happy. I have not said I will destroy this site or that I will somehow empty it. I do not think that will happen in the least. I do not even think it is possible.

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb;302428You know, it occurs to me that I have more posts here than...well, anywhere, so therpgsite must be doing something right. What can I say? I love this place. My advice for you is to learn as much as you can from this website (and others) in order to make your site as great as it can possibly be. The interforae warfare doesn't concern me too much. It's just so much pissing in the wind. People will fight for a while, and then just get over it.

I intend to. Many of the things I like here I try to replicate at the Haven. Many of the things I like from RPG.Net I try to replicate there. Many of the things at EnWorld I...well, you get the idea.

Holy McShite!

The half-drunk seed of controversy I planted has blossomed into a shambling carnivorous tree of nerd-flame!

I've never trolled in my life, and now I do it without even trying.

It's a nice potted history of theRPGsite for my edification, though.

Quote from: Hairfoot;302450Holy McShite!

You created a monster, Hairf.

"It's... aliiiive!"

Quote from: Koltar;302425Darn.

Looks like I didn't get invited to the new 'cool' site.

Then go ahead and register, if you're interested. It's not so fucking hard.

QuoteBonus points to anyone who remembers that scenario over on rpgnet.

Linky? Would love to read that, and work's been a bit slow so I have the time

Quote from: Imperator;302460Then go ahead and register, if you're interested. It's not so fucking hard.

Indeed. I'm practically computer illiterate, and even I could do it.

Quote from: ImperatorLinky? Would love to read that, and work's been a bit slow so I have the time

Sure. Be warned though....Mister Bat Penis himself tries to get an innocent poster banned, so it's not pretty. It's the "Fantasy Heartbreaker" thread. I think my first post is number 56. Enjoy.

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=429859

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb;302461Indeed. I'm practically computer illiterate, and even I could do it.


Sure. Be warned though....Mister Bat Penis himself tries to get an innocent poster banned, so it's not pretty. It's the "Fantasy Heartbreaker" thread. I think my first post is number 56. Enjoy.

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=429859

Thank you pal, engaging the thread right now

And I'm off to the gym at three in the mornin'. I'll leave you to that, so have fun. It's a long read.

Quote from: jeff37923;302277It's a joke that you are being a douchebag when you threaten to reveal someone's personal info on the internet just to amuse yourself? Ha-ha, lots of laughs there, douchebag.

Grow up and behave more like Hinterwelt because he's providing a good example to emulate.

I didn't threaten to reveal it. I made the comment that it was much easier to discover than I thought it would be. It appears we are once again dealing with your recurring illiteracy.

Jeffy, you're really going to need to learn at something above a grade 3 level one of these days.

Quote from: Elliot Wilen;302405Hang on a sec, when did it become forbidden to talk about Forge games?

At one time they were being shunted off into Off Topic, which was a bit silly--if only symbolic IMO. Now they're in Other Games, apparently. A debatable call but again, mainly symbolic and somewhat less exclusionary.

That's right. There's nothing to stop people making Forge-game threads to their hearts' content, as long as they do it in the right forum.

RPGPundit

Quote from: HinterWelt;302414Now, perhaps it is not clear. You post a lot here SL, so would it be safe to say you are an rpgsite "poster". It is easy enough to view it as a "reactiuon to RPGSite" and I have admitted that it is a factor. However, it is not the only reason not the raison d'etre of the Haven. It would make Pundit's job a lot easier if it were. This site is based on hate. Hate the swine. Hate people who do not play my games. Hate those guys because they aren't playing the games I approve of. That's the agenda I am talking about.

Bullshit. This site is based on FREEDOM.  The freedom to talk about RPGs without fear of being banned for political incorrectness or daring to criticize the darling games, and freedom to talk about RPGs without being swamped, subverted, and forced to use the lingo of dubious Forge-theory.

Your site, on the other hand, is based on hate; or at the very least on being the "anti-pundit rpgsite-clone".

QuoteAs to Pundit starting this site. Well, sure. I was here before he was but he took the reins when the other guys screwed it up...again. Again, you seem to be assuming I will have nothing to do with this site and hate it. I don't. I just don't. However it has dropped to a level much like RPGNet and EnWorld for me. That is, it is of limited use.

Yes, yes, it was so much more useful when it was a joke site that died out to the point that no one posted on it anymore, before the big bad Pundit came along and turned it into one of the most successful RPG forums around.. :rolleyes:

QuoteSpecifically, as with RPG.Net I use this place as an example of how I do not want moderation done when making my case to the community.

Right, by having a more heavy-handed moderation policy than I ever did, while at the same time continuing to decry my "abuses" and talking about "free speech" on here, feeling no need to have the same freedom over there. Admit it: Your only issue about "moderation" here is that I'm the guy doing the moderating.

RPGPundit

Quote from: HinterWelt;302295Now, I would rather have a reasoned discussion, or really preferably none at all, with you about this Dan but you do not seem to want that. Am I mistaken?

The rest of your post disagrees with this statement. I'm so sorry that i had the gall to lay out my personal feelings on this silliness and that you felt the entirety of it was an attack on you and your site. No, it was an attack on the cross-board bollocks going on now and my feelings about that. You've been spoiling for a fight with me for some time, Bill. In several threads here recently you've gone out of your way to attribute something i've said to mean you or one of your games.

Well, you've finally had your way.

Let's have no more discussion at all before things are irrevocably broken.

Oh yeah, bitch (seems the cool thing to say at the moment).

Quote from: HinterWelt;302414This site is based on hate. Hate the swine. Hate people who do not play my games. Hate those guys because they aren't playing the games I approve of.

This bullshit needs to be quoted because it's an attack on everyone who chooses to post here. Yeah, HemorrhoidWelt, this is the RPG equivalent of Stormfront. :rolleyes:

Why don't you grow a pair and let 'em drop--- admit you want a forum where Pundit is not a nuisance. 'Cause yeah, he's a pain in the neck (I don't agree with his opinion on Burning Wheel, either.)

But you're not going to admit that because you're too much of a fucking pussy.

Cue more of your passive-aggressive bullshit.

Quote from: One Horse Town;302469The rest of your post disagrees with this statement. I'm so sorry that i had the gall to lay out my personal feelings on this silliness

Well when you paint with a wide brush...

Quote from: One Horse Town;302469and that you felt the entirety of it was an attack on you and your site.

or. Or my site. It is like saying this site is based on hate. Notice, it sets people off because it includes them. If you meant you wanted benoist to stop, you should say that. I have not posted about the haven except here and in one thread that was pertinent to the post. If that is "fucking with your life" I do apologize, sincerely.

Quote from: One Horse Town;302469No, it was an attack on the cross-board bollocks going on now and my feelings about that. You've been spoiling for a fight with me for some time, Bill. In several threads here recently you've gone out of your way to attribute something i've said to mean you or one of your games.

Odd, I would have said the same kind of thing about your posts. Again, that broad brush. It is to be expected that if you say "This site is based on hate" that folks will focus in on and view the broad brush to include them. You might mean this subgroup of posters but they read it as "One Horse Town! You are EVIL!". An unfortunate reality of the internet.

Now, you have made an observation of my posting style and I will try to alter it. May I make one of yours? You seem more...pissy? angry? I don't know what is going on, if it is me or something in your life or what but you seem a lot more, I have no better word at this time, angry. I hope you can work it out.

Quote from: One Horse Town;302469Well, you've finally had your way.

Let's have no more discussion at all before things are irrevocably broken.

Oh yeah, bitch (seems the cool thing to say at the moment).

As I said, more than happy to end it because I do value the discussions we have had.

Quote from: FASERIP;302507This bullshit needs to be quoted because it's an attack on everyone who chooses to post here. Yeah, HemorrhoidWelt, this is the RPG equivalent of Stormfront. :rolleyes:

Why don't you grow a pair and let 'em drop--- admit you want a forum where Pundit is not a nuisance. 'Cause yeah, he's a pain in the neck (I don't agree with his opinion on Burning Wheel, either.)

But you're not going to admit that because you're too much of a fucking pussy.

Cue more of your passive-aggressive bullshit.

This is a great example of what I mean. Not a shred of rational argument just ad hominem. It is not a case of FASERIP is irrational frothing maniac or some such. It is about the culture encouraging it, not just allowing it, but encouraging and rewarding it. No, not written rules or such but the environment of this board. Now, I think my point was to subtle. When I say based, I mean based, not that everyone is hateful. It is a culture, not as it has been represented of rational debate, but of ad hominem attacks and ideology. Hate the swine! Does that mean everyone hates the swine? No, of course not but it leads to a culture where this sort of argumentation is accepted and respected. You seldom see a heated discussion with out an attack on the persons making the arguments these days.

Now, here is the kicker, I am guilty of the same thing. I was part of the culture. I did not like that and as impetus to change and distance myself from such behavior I made a different board, am attempting to make a different culture. It may sure fail. I take such doomsayers who say a board where reasoned argument is impossible much the way I took the talk by RPG.Net mods that a low moderation board is impossible. However, in the end, it is my view of the environment here and my views of how conversations go on. Perhaps if I used my ignore more thoroughly I would have a different view. The important point is, it is about my views of this board, the options I had available in terms of where to post and what I did to resolve the situation. I still feel I did the right thing.

Now, as to, yet again, that ALL the Haven is is a reaction to this board, well, no. I have admitted that it is part of the reasons it was founded. However, it is incorrect to say it is "theRPGSite" without the pundit. If this were the case he would be banned as soon as he registered or I would block his IP, neither of with would be and is being done. Now, if I was copying threads from here, or the pundit was IP blocked or if it had only members from this board, well, I could see it but that is not the case.

I know it is hard to believe folks, but I really do not want any conflict with this board.

Your every post only digs you in further, Hinterwelt:
"Its not about the Pundit but we liked this site better before he got here!"
"Its not about the Pundit but his we want our site to have different moderation than his!"
"Its not about the Pundit but we want a site that doesn't have the same tone we blame him for on here!"
"Its not about the Pundit but (insert something expressing disapproval of the Pundit here)"

You seem almost physically incapable of saying anything about your site that isn't an overt or a subtle comparison to how things are done here, by me.  Its hilarious.

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPundit;302533Your every post only digs you in further, Hinterwelt:
"Its not about the Pundit but we liked this site better before he got here!"
"Its not about the Pundit but his we want our site to have different moderation than his!"
"Its not about the Pundit but we want a site that doesn't have the same tone we blame him for on here!"
"Its not about the Pundit but (insert something expressing disapproval of the Pundit here)"

You seem almost physically incapable of saying anything about your site that isn't an overt or a subtle comparison to how things are done here, by me.  Its hilarious.

RPGPundit

 Fuck, if they hate it so much here, why don't they go back to their gay little clubhouse?  Instead of sending a shill to start a thread about Pundit's alleged "plagiarism", why not just leave it alone, and stick to their game of Wet Biscuit that's going on at Haven?  Nobody forces them to read threads here or post, but HERE THEY ARE!  Attention whores, each and every single one of them.  Woot! They have a gay little clubhouse now, and they can exclude Pundit! Big fucking deal, go back to your pathetic little hovel, girls.
 
In fact, I propose you change the name to RPG Brothel, so you little trollops can ply your trade a bit better.