Quote from: Drohem;302312Sett, you're the funniest thing that I've seen in a long time.  Please continue posting here and at The RPG Haven.  Continue the War until the bitter end!  The utter stupidity of your posts just brings a smile and grin to my face.  Seriously, I just cannot help grinning when I read your infantile posts. (see!)

For some unfathomable reason, I have this mental picture of you as a scary (now, as opposed to when he was younger) Carrot Top look alike.

I have to say, it is fun. I mean, there is absolutely no way to take this guy seriously but it is fun to jab him.

All I can say is that I'm still waiting for the awesome argument that ends it all that Sett seems to keep up his sleeve, or the next best thing, for him to concede the point, but nope. It's not coming. German logic isn't what it once was, I'm afraid.

Sett: you can do better than that. Stop the nonsense and stick around on both sites.

You´r equite an asshole and intellectually indecent too!

Your slur is misapllied, and you should know that, as you are "well educated" as you claimed.

What did I say?

I can´t continue to contribute to either site, because of my stance on moderation. But I will and have spoken out on that issue, BECAUSE I FUCKING CARE about it. And I will do so again. And it would have been utterly stupid and hypocritical of me to remain silent, when the THING I FUCKING CARE ABOUT is being discussed.
It would be illogical.

And that´s why you and Kyle and some others are either dumb as fuck, or the most dishonest people around these parts:

Settembrini: "I will fight for freedom! I speak out against Moderation! Thusly I will stop pretending as if nothing happened, and tacitly copndoning the bannings!"

*another banning happens*

Settembrini: "Again I warn you and speak out agains bannings! It´s wrong!"

HunterKyle: "Haha! He posted again! Look what a blowhard he is!"

Idiots, dishonest, proto/crypto control freaks and shamus-lovers. Man, if anyone is actually acting upon it´s principles he declared, it´s  me. So fuck off. You are too stupid to remember what you wrote yourself two posts ago, so don´t make yourself even more into a laughing stock by misrembereing what my boycott is actually about.

Quote from: Benoist;302322All I can say is that I'm still waiting for the awesome argument that ends it all that Sett seems to keep up his sleeve, or the next best thing, for him to concede the point, but nope. It's not coming. German logic isn't what it once was, I'm afraid.

Sett: you can do better than that. Stop the nonsense and stick around on both sites.

Which nonsense? I´m the only one sticking to my guns. Honestly, you seem to be a smart guy: You surely must see the faulty logic of Bills utterances? It´s okay if you approve of them, but don´t pretend they don´t exist.

I approve of them.

Look. I believe there just can't be free speech without responsibility. People have a tendency to be irresponsible at times, and it just takes a few of them to completely hijack a site. That's where moderation comes in. I see good moderation as staying out of the way most of the time, but stepping in when necessary. And bans should be part of the arsenal.

You obviously disagree.

Tell me, seriously, honestly: why haven't you created your own board yet?

Quote from: Benoist;302336I approve of them.

Look. I believe there just can't be free speech without responsibility. People have a tendency to be irresponsible at times, and it just takes a few of them to completely hijack a site. That's where moderation comes in. I see good moderation as staying out of the way most of the time, but stepping in when necessary. And bans should be part of the arsenal.

You obviously disagree.

Tell me, seriously, honestly: why haven't you created your own board yet?

I have, and I told you so (what´s up with folks memories these days?). It´s here:

http://hofrat.rollenspiel-berlin.de/Forum/index.php

It´s unmoderated btw, and no bans. And heck of a lot more posts and history than "Haven". We don´t even have a discussion about it.

We also have a Fanzine that´s coordinated via the Forum, it´s here:
http://www.abenteuerpunkt.ch/serendipity/

And it´s self-organizing as much as possible. No editor.

Quote from: Settembrini;302339I have, and I told you so (what´s up with folks memories these days?). It´s here:

http://hofrat.rollenspiel-berlin.de/Forum/index.php

I honestly did not remember. How's that working for you?

You never have to step in as a mod, ever?

Nah, that was too easy...

Quote from: Settembrini;302339I have, and I told you so (what´s up with folks memories these days?).

Because none of us care what you say. Why can't you get that through your head?

Quote from: HinterWelt;302241Well, I do. For instance, I remember a number of more lengthy posts from droog early on. It quickly dwindled off mostly from the culture of this board. Why he was here is for him to answer but the reason he posted less and less is that the games he wanted to post about were not well received here. At the Haven, he can talk about whatever games, reference the games he plays in his posts and not have to worry about someone screaming "swine" at him. Now, I have the same problem over at RPG.Net but with the etymology of words. I do not post lenghty or often at RPG.Net. My problem is partly how I learned English. It makes me very aware of the origin of the words I use and their meanings.

Now, I came to squirrelnutkinland and I did not have to worry about that. I did not have to know where the word "piker" came from or be worried if I used "gypsy" instead of "roma". I could just talk about RPGs and it was different. Heck, look at some of the tools that were on RPG.Net and got banned then came here and changed entirely. Environmnet and culture of the board do effect the way people post. Droog has an incentive to post with out fear of reprisal on the Haven, more importantly, he can use his play experience in the context of his posts. Now, what says about why he was here, I again say that only Droog can answer. He might just have been waiting for an alternative.

So is your site a place to discuss RPGs or is it a place to rehabilitate internet reputations? Because it sounds like it is trying to do both.

Quote from: HinterWelt;302241An underlying point I would like to adress Jeff, is that I am also not saying that the Haven is "better" than the RPGSite. It is better for me but may be worse for you. Again, the culture thing. Also, I do not believe it is a dichotomy. You need not choose theRPGSite or the Haven. I still visit and post on RPG.Net, EnWorld and many other boards. I have never portrayed any sort of ultimatum or even some sort of bizarre loyalty issue with posting to the Haven or here. Heck, I expect people to post here and many other places and hopefully on the Haven as well. I know I will.

So then what exactly is more appropriate for discussion on the Haven then the RPGsite? A related question is, if both sites are relatively equal in quality for their discussions of RPGs, then why is there the active recruitment of members from theRPGsite? Particularly, why have only certain members of theRPGsite been singled out and invited to join the Haven? Is the Haven a private forum which only wants a specific approved RPG ideology to be represented?

@Bill:

You look pretty stupid right now.
Especially as you

AGAIN WILLFULLY or out of SHEER STUPIDITY ignore my actual point. If you were

1) not so dishonest
or
2) not cursed with a sieve-like memory

you would know that:
just some time ago I said:
http://www.therpgsite.com/showpost.php?p=302015&postcount=59

and have said so a THOUSAND times before. And I happen to remember at least one bannings thread here were you were around. So I assume you are willfully lying?

QuoteThey can talk about Nazis. They can post porn. They can have absolute freedom of speech.

Was NEVER my position. As you must know from

1) the past
2) this very thread

Bill. You are a fruitcake. And a hypocritical one, too.

Quote from: Benoist;302341I honestly did not remember. How's that working for you?

You never have to step in as a mod, ever?

I wrote and told you guys. In this thread. And in the last two bannings threads.

Quote from: jeff37923;302346So is your site a place to discuss RPGs or is it a place to rehabilitate internet reputations? Because it sounds like it is trying to do both.

A place to discuss RPGs in a low moderation environment. Without agenda. Any RPGs or for that matter, games. My point is not to rehabilitate anyone.

Here is a list that might help:
RPG.Net - Around 2005 or so I really started to feel the weight of the place. Moderation was heavy and arbitrary. I liked the general openess but the site just turned over topics way too fast. Then we lost search. I post occassionally over there now.

EnWorld -  I love the utility of this site but it is just too focused. I really do not like the organization and subforums.

Storygames - Again, too focused on a particular style.

theRPGSite - For the most part I ignore Pundit (put him on fvb but need to take him off for stuff like this thread). I feel the culture on this site has shifted more towards a site where everyone wants to read about the same games or kind of games. I missed the old days of squirrelnutkinland and RPGSite before pundit because the culture was one where Pundit could scream about swine and droog would talk about gurps or some one else would go off on some game they found in a discount bin about playing bats seeking fruit. No judgements, no holds barred.

So, I can't tell you precisely what the site is because we will be making it. I am trying to encourage a certain posting style. I am doing so with leading by example. Are you going to have people calling each other assholes and flaming out? Sure, this is the internet. I am hoping to encourage a wide range of discussion though. Not just forge games. Not just old school. Not just DND but all of them intermixed with different playstyles.

So, if cavscout shows up, yeah, we will probably need to ban him. However, if he shows up and can keep it in his pants and talk about games then fine. I wont hold past transgressions on other sites against a guy. Heck, Droog once told me he would be thrilled to see me face down in the gutter. So, we aren't exactly buddies.

Quote from: jeff37923;302346So then what exactly is more appropriate for discussion on the Haven then the RPGsite? A related question is, if both sites are relatively equal in quality for their discussions of RPGs, then why is there the active recruitment of members from theRPGsite? Particularly, why have only certain members of theRPGsite been singled out and invited to join the Haven? Is the Haven a private forum which only wants a specific approved RPG ideology to be represented?

Well, first off, there is active recruitment across the boards. I have asked Cessna and Old Geezer and sever other posters over from RPG.Net. Mark and several others from EnWorld. AndyK and JDCorley form Storygames. But yeah, most of my posts have been here lately and I know a lot of the posters here. I asked them if they would be interested in the idea of the Haven. Many were, some weren't.

Whoa there tex. The Haven is open to anyone. Heck, if Pundit wants to register he is free to do so.  I asked the people who I thought would share my vision of a general RPGsite dedicated to all RPGs. Originally, I was thinking of a Forge style RPG site for all types of games but the community has seemed more excited about a general RPG site with wide focus. We might drift that way more.

So, no, no ideology I know of. So far we have had discussions about HeroQuest, 4e, general setting and campaign design and many other topics. I am pretty happy with the focus...erm, lack of focus?

Quote from: Settembrini;302347@Bill:

You look pretty stupid right now.

And you look fucking insane. That's not just my call there buddy.

Quote from: Settembrini;302347Blah blah

you would know that:
just some time ago I said:
http://www.therpgsite.com/showpost.php?p=302015&postcount=59

and have said so a THOUSAND times before. And I happen to remember at least one bannings thread here were you were around. So I assume you are willfully lying?

Oh, yo mean like you lie about what I say. Sucks doesn't it.

Quote from: Settembrini;302347More insane ramblings.

Are you leaving yet?

Quote from: HinterWelt;302359The Haven is open to anyone. Heck, if Pundit wants to register he is free to do so.

That's personally what I'd want to see, so we can bury the hatchet and forget the whole damn thing ever happened in the first place.