Quote from: BlackHeart;944893I did just think of one D&D-derivative which does have skills be based off of multiple attributes: dead simple fantasy rpg. In that game many skills are modified by the average of 2 attributes. Of course, that's fairly math intensive, and obviously wouldn't work in a game like standard D&D where spell-casters can and do use spells to temporarily modify attributes. Though this could be fixed by simply not having such spells, (dead simple fantasy rpg doesn't).

Another, possibly simpler method would be to just have the skill be modified by the lower of two attributes. So if you had a logic (intelligence) of 7 (the minimum allowed, note that my system will use a point-buy method for attributes) that would modify your 'open locks' skill, regardless of how high your finesse (dexterity) was.

Another route would be to have the point cost of learning and improving the skills be set by the attributes, but have them otherwise unconnected, so there's no need to apply multiple modifiers in play.

Quote from: BlackHeart;944921I came to realize that customization and simplicity are mutually incompatible.

Thats seems an absolutely absurd statement to me. The simpler the system , I've generally found, the wider range of options available.

Quote from: BlackHeart;944976My personal issues with third:

Classes are unnecessarily complicated (you don't need to get a new ability every 2 levels that requires an entire page to explain). Also, pathfinder just makes the classes beyond ridiculous in terms of complexity.

Personally, I can't stand classes at all. I think they are pointlessly unrealistic restrictions in order to railroad characters into predetermined archetypes.

QuoteMost feats are useless and serve no real purpose other than to prevent you from taking a prestige class below level 5 or so. Really, the only feats I like are the ones for two-weapon fighting, because they actually have a unique impact on your character's functioning that can't be replicated otherwise. All others just give you free points in skills or extra AC or something like that.

Two-Weapon fighting could just as easily be made a skill instead, since that's essentially what it is. Of course the whole dual-wielding concept is an absolutely absurd invention of rpgs and not even remotely realistic. There's is literally no historical precedence for it, or benefit.

QuoteI mean, why is 'use rope' a skill???

Mostly because it is a skill. Sailors receive pretty extensive training in the use of ropes and tying knots. There's quite a bit more to it than "tie one end around something" or " hoist yourself up it." Of course, I'd have no issue with a game that presents a situation where its assumed all characters in the setting would have that skill and left it out, just as a modern game would not by necessity need a "read/write" skill. Its all about the context of the world.

QuoteAnnoying ECLs. I hate ecls, especially since I tend to take interest in less standard races like Drow and aasimars and such. I remember playing nwn2 and I made a drow wizard, this meant that I had a character with 4 hp, at level 3. Obviously, that thing wasn't going anywhere.

No idea what an ECL is. But a personal pet peeve is any game system where its impossible to talk about characters without resorting to game-specific terms.

QuoteAnd vancian magic.

Yeah, never been a fan of that myself.

QuoteNo one plays sorcerers, monks, or rangers unless they're roleplaying.

....what else are players meant to be doing besides roleplaying? Isnt that the entire point of a roleplaying game?

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Fuck roleplaying games, I'm done with them.

Why the fuck would I let myself get drawn into this shit? I mean, its a game about ethnic cleansing. Seriously, how the fuck could I be so blind all those years ago?

And the community is nothing but trolls and idiots. Of course they are, its a game that exists solely to indulge white-supremist fantasies.

I'm not having shit to do with any of this anymore. I quit. And fuck all of you. You should all just be locked up in prison your whole fucking lives for how fucking sick you all are.

How weird. Multiple posters put a lot of effort into engaging with you and you fling feces at them in a freak attempt (presumably) to get yourself banned for shit you don't like at other forums.

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