Quote from: CRKrueger;574874So let's get this straight.  Totally RAW...

DC 0 to hear modified by distance = DC 16
DC to understand speech +10 = DC 26
So decent chance, but not guaranteed at all considering a Listen of 12.
That about right?

DC to hear someone talking 0.

DC to hear someone yelling: Not 0.

The d20 SRD has Listen DC for people talking and people whispering, but nothing specific for people yelling.

It does have a DC for the sounds of a battle, although it's vague in that I'd expect some battles/attacks to be louder than others.  The table appears to be a rough estimate for individual groups to use as a reference.

While all figuring out the the various DC values is cute and all, I must ask a simple question.

Does 3.x require listen checks to hear other PCs in your group shout advice or pass information to each other?

Do you typically play it that way in a battle as in:

Sarah: "I want to tell Grond the Fighter something
DM: Grond, make a listen check please at a DC of 17 (understand speech plus battle noise plus something for range just because).

DM: Sorry Sarah, you he can't hear you. But you can again next round, now Grond what do you....


Just curious of that's what the rules require, or if there's anyone who plays it that way.

Quote from: gleichman;574911While all figuring out the the various DC values is cute and all, I must ask a simple question..

Hmm, which is it, RAW or not RAW?  One the one hand we get told that the Infernal Bats don't speak Infernal but do speak Common because RAW, on the other hand we're supposed to handwave the fact that according to RAW, they may not hear the commands in the first place?

Or is it only ok to nitpick and pixelbitch the RAW when it advantages "Team Den"?  Don't answer, that one's obvious.

I don't play 3e, but for all the empty boasts of Wizard Supremacy, and all the claims that Fighters are useless after 4th level, etc, I would have expected these fights to be over near instantaneously.

Instead, all we're getting is tedious, boring, point-whoring type behavior, like the guy that tries to win Scrabble using words from West Midlands dialect of Middle English.  It's Death by Accountant.

Can the next Thunderdome take place in a regulation american football stadium, with off the field being out of bounds?

Or an regulation whatever the correct name is soccer field?

Quote from: CRKrueger;574926Hmm, which is it, RAW or not RAW?  One the one hand we get told that the Infernal Bats don't speak Infernal but do speak Common because RAW, on the other hand we're supposed to handwave the fact that according to RAW, they may not hear the commands in the first place?

Oh don't whine. I don't care who wins this fight, I just want to know the answer (as I don't know 3.X rules).

Is it RAW to roll listen checks between PCs in a battle or not? If it is, is there anyone who plays that way?

Quote from: gleichman;574911While all figuring out the the various DC values is cute and all, I must ask a simple question.

Does 3.x require listen checks to hear other PCs in your group shout advice or pass information to each other?

Do you typically play it that way in a battle as in:

Sarah: "I want to tell Grond the Fighter something
DM: Grond, make a listen check please at a DC of 17 (understand speech plus battle noise plus something for range just because).

DM: Sorry Sarah, you he can't hear you. But you can again next round, now Grond what do you....


Just curious of that's what the rules require, or if there's anyone who plays it that way.

Being a little disingenuous aren't we?  There is a bit of a difference between shouting an instruction to a companion 10 feet away and directing bats you can't even see from 160 feet away.

As GM would I require a check for companions near each other? No. If they are 100plus feet away and in battle? Definitely.

The bats not hearing me clearly isn't a big deal. It's inconvenient at best (as this whole exercise has been). It's even supported by RAW so -shrugs-.

As for rolling listen. I house rule a take 10 on the check unless someone specifically says they are making one. Saves time and dice rolling.

Quote from: MGuy;575029The bats not hearing me clearly isn't a big deal. It's inconvenient at best (as this whole exercise has been). If it's even supported by RAW so -shrugs-.

Jesus man, what are you, like 17?

Quote from: CRKrueger;575030Jesus man, what are you, like 17?

You can bitch about anything can't you?

Quote from: MGuy;575035You can bitch about anything can't you?

You're the "Even though I nitpick every move and point, none of it means anything" guy, complete with attempts to claim victory rather then play out the scenario (you jackasses wanted to call it over after Solid Fog :rotfl:), and constant talk about how meaningless and useless the whole thing is just in case you lose, now complete with 'shrugs'.

You're a character from The O.C. from chrissakes.

Quote from: CRKrueger;575040Stuff

All you had to say was: Yes, I can.

Quote from: Rum Cove;574817I was going to mention the Listen check, but then I started weeping uncontrollably at what I had become.

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Marleycat is getting bored.  Come on guys get to it already! Blood and death I like these things.

(Did I mention I moved to Fantasy Craft because of this minutia)?

Quote from: Marleycat;575087Marleycat is getting bored.  Come on guys get to it already! Blood and death I like these things.

(Did I mention I moved to Fantasy Craft because of this minutia)?

Liz Phair's nipples aren't bored, so how could you be?