"Tastes like Good"

I am going to have to use that in a game.

Fitting for a vampire or a succubus sampling various adventurers.

It is weird in there.

The pegasus has Detect Evil up to 60 feet radius, which is probably the best sensor in the Solid Fog, but cannot communicate with Panzerkraken about what it is sensing.

This fight inside the Solid Fog is about as close as you can get to a classic "hairy furball" of an aerial dogfight.

I'm not doing any side seat GMing. I'm just throwing in my 2 cents like everyone else (and barely that). Yes, it is true I wasn't expecting all of the rule changes and decisions that have occured so far (raised ride check, bats not being able to hear in silent fog, mount bein able to control itself in flight when it can't get its proper move speed, possibility of my summons attacking each other, etc) but I'm not griping about them at all nor am I attempting to tell jeff what to do. I agreed to have him be the arbiter and I'm not going to bitch about his decisions now. What happens happens. People can make their own opinions about his rulings but even with all of the changes made the fighter is still disadvantaged and I'm confident that I will win this little contest.

Anyways, the bats are at 8 now. I assume that all but maybe 1 get their attacks based on the description of the situation. Since I don't need to do anythin with this turn (yet) I'm going to attempt to tell them to attack the big meaty horse or whatever infernal word I can shout at them to attack the thing with the wings. I'll get closer if necessary to do this.

Here are their attacks and damage rolls (smite not included) I'm not sure which ones get flanking.
1d20+7 → [8,7] = (15)
1d20+7 → [11,7] = (18)
1d20+7 → [9,7] = (16)
1d20+7 → [7,7] = (14)
1d20+7 → [5,7] = (12)
1d20+7 → [11,7] = (18)
1d20+7 → [15,7] = (22)
1d8+6 → [7,6] = (13)
1d8+6 → [1,6] = (7)
1d8+6 → [6,6] = (12)
1d8+6 → [1,6] = (7)
1d8+6 → [4,6] = (10)
1d8+6 → [4,6] = (10)
1d8+6 → [3,6] = (9)

Edit: Forgot Miss Chance
1d20 → [14] = (14)
1d20 → [8] = (
1d20 → [16] = (16)
1d20 → [7] = (7)
1d20 → [11] = (11)
1d20 → [20] = (20)
1d20 → [2] = (2)
Last attack misses.

Quote from: MGuy;574723Yes, it is true I wasn't expecting all of the rule changes and decisions that have occured so far

OK, lets look at these:

Quote from: MGuy;574723raised ride check

Your character has no mounted combat type feats and only a single rank in Ride skill while on the back of a hippogriff trying to cast spells with somatic components.

I've overlooked the fact that an Ebony Fly has the stats of a hippogriff, but is a giant fly which you are riding.

Quote from: MGuy;574723bats not being able to hear in silent fog

Your character is 160 feet away yelling into a combat inside of a Solid Fog which is solid enough to hinder movement and falling. Sound will be dampened, get closer and they will hear you.

Quote from: MGuy;574723mount bein able to control itself in flight when it can't get its proper move speed

A pegasus does not fly like an airplane, so airspeed is not a factor for lift. The Solid Fog hinders movement and falling, all the pegasus has to do is tuck in its wings and it can still fall at 5 feet per round.

Quote from: MGuy;574723possibility of my summons attacking each other

They have appeared in a Solid Fog, coming from Hell and looking for a fight. They are going to be disoriented by the Solid Fog, but still attacking. Here in another round, they will know that a morsel in here "Tastes like Good!" and try to converge on it.

Now I have to go to work. This will continue when I get home.

Quote from: jeff37923;574746OK, lets look at these:
Your character is 160 feet away yelling into a combat inside of a Solid Fog which is solid enough to hinder movement and falling. Sound will be dampened, get closer and they will hear you.

...

They have appeared in a Solid Fog, coming from Hell and looking for a fight. They are going to be disoriented by the Solid Fog, but still attacking. Here in another round, they will know that a morsel in here "Tastes like Good!" and try to converge on it.

My two cents is that these two rulings are poorly considered. I would have ruled otherwise.

That BTW is what makes an exercise like this so difficult. Little things like difference in GM style can change everything.

Solid Fog has great acoustics. That's why it's solid enough to reduce falling to 5' a round. It's just like when my friends ashore yell at me to do something when I'm submerged in water. It's all perfectly clear, all the time.

Quote from: jeff37923;574746Stuff
Now I have to go to work. This will continue when I get home.

You are the GM, the ref for this exercise. As I said, what happens happens. I disagree with some of the rulings and would have made slight, not significant, changes to some of the things I did and prepared for when making the character had I known these things would be happening but what has happened has happened and there's no reason to complain about it now. I was just listing the unexpected rules changes that were made to indicate what I was not expecting.

Yeah you're not complaining, you're just making a laundry list of rulings you can blame a defeat on if by some crazy twist of fate, you lose.  :rolleyes:

Quote from: CRKrueger;574782Yeah you're not complaining, you're just making a laundry list of rulings you can blame a defeat on if by some crazy twist of fate, you lose.  :rolleyes:

That's unfair.

MGuy is bringing his set of game assumptions to the table (which unless I'm wrong here- is basically the game should be played RAW), and is agreeing to abide by the rulings of jeff37923 who is on record as not believing that the game should be played RAW.

That MGuy would even agree to do this at all is to my to my mind amazing. I never would. If he stays till the bitter end under such conditions, it will be even more amazing.

That he should list the differences between jeff37923's ruling and RAW should not be held against him, and is in fact an excellent way of seeing how the two approaches affect the game.

If he loses, I'm sure that he will blame jeff37923's non-RAW rulings to some degree. That's also to be expected. He may well be correct, and the only recourse is to run the battle again with RAW style GM.

In any case, apply some humility here. He's playing by therpgsite's rules and on its ground. That deserves some respect out of the gate. Wait until it's over before smacking for taking the results badly- for the simple reason that he may not.

Moved to actual-play forum.

Quote from: CRKrueger;574782Yeah you're not complaining, you're just making a laundry list of rulings you can blame a defeat on if by some crazy twist of fate, you lose.  :rolleyes:

If I lose I lose. If you're going to peg me for claiming things are slanted for the fighter I HAVE a laundry list of things you can choose form:

1) My goal is randomly to kill the fighter.

2)I'm fighting the fighter in the only arena the fighter is any good at.

3) I revealed I was going to be a conjurer before the battel began.

4) I am actually combating the fighter with things that fight instead of blowing him up from space or casting save or dies until he and his mount die (Cloud Kill is a conjuration spell).

5) Meeting him in an open nearly featureless plain of no value at all where his apparent game plan of shoot me from the next town over would've been at its best.

6) I specifically avoided shennanigans or methods of fighting that would have been "too" overpowered. Such as: summoning all my shit then teleporting into range with them buffed and ready to kill.

7) No cohorts, no planar binding, no use magic item shennanigans.

Didn't spend all of my wealth.

jeff deciding to change a bunch of rules on me is no where on my list but you are free to pick and choose from shit that IS on my laundry list to pick apart.

my 2c.

hearing someone talking is a DC 0

but to understand what he is saying they must beat the DC by 10.

Add that they must be able to hear him while in the middle of a battle, or at least in a really confused situation (+5?)

+ 16 for the distance

+2 (the DM's friend) for being in solid fog. if it solid enough to slow a horse falling it is solid enough to dampen sound.
Total.

DC 33
dire bats have listen of 12

i think it is a fair call.

I was going to mention the Listen check, but then I started weeping uncontrollably at what I had become.

Quote from: Just Another User;574815my 2c.

hearing someone talking is a DC 0

but to understand what he is saying they must beat the DC by 10.

Add that they must be able to hear him while in the middle of a battle, or at least in a really confused situation (+5?)

+ 16 for the distance

+2 (the DM's friend) for being in solid fog. if it solid enough to slow a horse falling it is solid enough to dampen sound.
Total.

DC 33
dire bats have listen of 12

i think it is a fair call.

So let's get this straight.  Totally RAW...

DC 0 to hear modified by distance = DC 16
DC to understand speech +10 = DC 26
So decent chance, but not guaranteed at all considering a Listen of 12.
That about right?

Quote from: Rum Cove;574817I was going to mention the Listen check, but then I started weeping uncontrollably at what I had become.

Don't reject it.  Embrace it.  Your ability to call up minor details about the rules is a gift, not a curse.

You can use it for good (to help fellow players remember important details, find good options, etc), or for evil (to rules-lawyer and interpret the letter of the rules to their most ridiculous conclusions and break the game).  With great power comes great responsibility.