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[Thunderdome] The Wizard Vs Fighter Bullshit thing (MGuy vs Panzerkraken)

Started by Panzerkraken, August 09, 2012, 02:41:49 AM

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Panzerkraken

#255
August 20, 2012, 06:51:51 PM Last Edit: August 20, 2012, 11:35:29 PM by Panzerkraken
Quote from: Kaelik;574329So to be clear, the following things are accepted and worthy of praise and reward:

1) Being a lying sack of shit and making unfounded accusations.

2) Saying mean things to people RPGPundit doesn't like.

And the following things are bannable offenses:

1) Not making unfounded accusations and specifically saying that Benoist isn't an Anti-Semite.

2) Saying mean things about people RPGPundit likes.


I'll keep in mind that when you say "free speech" you mean it exactly like every dictator means it.

I ask again, if you want to start shit, do it in another thread.  Pundit only brought it up here because this was where your original monkey-shit throwing post was.

It you want to make a public stand and become a ban-martyr so you can run back to the Den and have a smuggly hug party with your buddies, at least have the decency to do it in a post that they can sticky apart from our Thunderdome.
Si vous n'opposez point aux ordres de croire l'impossible l'intelligence que Dieu a mise dans votre esprit, vous ne devez point opposer aux ordres de malfaire la justice que Dieu a mise dans votre coeur. Une faculté de votre âme étant une fois tyrannisée, toutes les autres facultés doivent l'être également.
-Voltaire

Panzerkraken

#256
August 20, 2012, 06:54:53 PM
Quote from: Fiasco;574265If the bats are not able to use their sonar effectively then it should not that easy for them to move in the right direction to attack either mount or warrior.

Also I can't see how the wizard can direct them to do anything given he can't speak to them or even see what is going on in there.

EDIT

Ah it's been ruled they can see. Fair enough.

Jeff's actual ruling was that they see at the same reduction as visual.  I know it can be hard to tell sometimes with all the armchair-DM'ing going on.
Si vous n'opposez point aux ordres de croire l'impossible l'intelligence que Dieu a mise dans votre esprit, vous ne devez point opposer aux ordres de malfaire la justice que Dieu a mise dans votre coeur. Une faculté de votre âme étant une fois tyrannisée, toutes les autres facultés doivent l'être également.
-Voltaire

MGuy

#257
August 20, 2012, 11:30:42 PM
Quote from: Fiasco;574265If the bats are not able to use their sonar effectively then it should not that easy for them to move in the right direction to attack either mount or warrior.

Also I can't see how the wizard can direct them to do anything given he can't speak to them or even see what is going on in there.

EDIT

Ah it's been ruled they can see. Fair enough.
Yes he's ruled. I don't get how I can't relay orders to something with superior hearing like bats but I'd wager they'd go after the bigger target anyway. It's easier (and not just by meta standards it's large, suspended in the air, and can't fly as effectively as they can). What's more he said that their sonar was hampered not negated so they can still tell the general direction of the big ass target which be enough for them to target it. In either case I'm sure something will give. If I have to I'll just summon more. For now I have to complete this set of summoning and then I'll see what the results are.
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Quote from: MGuyFinally a thread about fighters!

Panzerkraken

#258
August 20, 2012, 11:38:45 PM
Quote from: MGuy;574427Yes he's ruled. I don't get how I can't relay orders to something with superior hearing like bats but I'd wager they'd go after the bigger target anyway. It's easier (and not just by meta standards it's large, suspended in the air, and can't fly as effectively as they can). What's more he said that their sonar was hampered not negated so they can still tell the general direction of the big ass target which be enough for them to target it. In either case I'm sure something will give. If I have to I'll just summon more. For now I have to complete this set of summoning and then I'll see what the results are.

I think that the relayed orders bit was because you don't speak bat?  Not sure if you took any outsider languages, since they're Fiendish they might understand Infernal, but they're only animal intelligence anyway.
Si vous n'opposez point aux ordres de croire l'impossible l'intelligence que Dieu a mise dans votre esprit, vous ne devez point opposer aux ordres de malfaire la justice que Dieu a mise dans votre coeur. Une faculté de votre âme étant une fois tyrannisée, toutes les autres facultés doivent l'être également.
-Voltaire

MGuy

#259
August 21, 2012, 12:10:04 AM
Quote from: Panzerkraken;574429I think that the relayed orders bit was because you don't speak bat?  Not sure if you took any outsider languages, since they're Fiendish they might understand Infernal, but they're only animal intelligence anyway.
Yes I have Infernal and "Eat big thing" isn't really a complicated order.
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CerilianSeeming

#260
August 21, 2012, 12:19:00 AM
Quote from: MGuy;574439Yes I have Infernal and "Eat big thing" isn't really a complicated order.
And so it was that the bats zoomed upwards, attacking the invisible red dragon who was minding her own business... :p
A DM only rolls the dice because of the noise they make. - E. Gary Gygax

Panzerkraken

#261
August 21, 2012, 12:54:15 AM
Quote from: MGuy;574439Yes I have Infernal and "Eat big thing" isn't really a complicated order.

I still like the idea that even sound slows down to 5'/rd inside the cloud :) Maybe that's why he's saying they can't receive the orders...
Si vous n'opposez point aux ordres de croire l'impossible l'intelligence que Dieu a mise dans votre esprit, vous ne devez point opposer aux ordres de malfaire la justice que Dieu a mise dans votre coeur. Une faculté de votre âme étant une fois tyrannisée, toutes les autres facultés doivent l'être également.
-Voltaire

Kaelik

#262
August 21, 2012, 01:07:11 AM
Point of fact, Fiendish Animals speak Common. Anything with Int 3 knows at least one language, and if the language isn't specified, it is common.
Quote from: FrankTrollmanReally, the only thing the "my character can beat up your character" challenges ever do by presenting a clear and unambiguous beat down is to have the loser drop of the thread and pretend the challenge never happened.

MGuy

#263
August 21, 2012, 01:13:52 AM
Meh doesn't matter something will happen or it won't.
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Panzerkraken

#264
August 21, 2012, 01:15:28 AM
Quote from: Kaelik;574453Point of fact, Fiendish Animals speak Common. Anything with Int 3 knows at least one language, and if the language isn't specified, it is common.

Quote from: SRDFiendish creatures dwell on the lower planes, the realms of evil, although they resemble beings found on the Material Plane. They are more fearsome in appearance than their earthly counterparts.

This would seem to imply that they would speak the language of the plane that they're summoned from.  Probably Infernal or Diabolic.
Si vous n'opposez point aux ordres de croire l'impossible l'intelligence que Dieu a mise dans votre esprit, vous ne devez point opposer aux ordres de malfaire la justice que Dieu a mise dans votre coeur. Une faculté de votre âme étant une fois tyrannisée, toutes les autres facultés doivent l'être également.
-Voltaire

Kaelik

#265
August 21, 2012, 01:24:12 AM
Quote from: Panzerkraken;574456This would seem to imply that they would speak the language of the plane that they're summoned from.  Probably Infernal or Diabolic.

That would seem to imply that language isn't specified, so they speak Common. It's a fine houserule to say they speak fiendish, but they do speak Common.
Quote from: FrankTrollmanReally, the only thing the "my character can beat up your character" challenges ever do by presenting a clear and unambiguous beat down is to have the loser drop of the thread and pretend the challenge never happened.

Panzerkraken

#266
August 21, 2012, 01:33:58 AM
Quote from: Kaelik;574457That would seem to imply that language isn't specified, so they speak Common. It's a fine houserule to say they speak fiendish, but they do speak Common.

So you're saying that an extraplanar creature wouldn't be able to speak the dominant language on its own plane?  Doesn't that sound a bit illogical to you?
Si vous n'opposez point aux ordres de croire l'impossible l'intelligence que Dieu a mise dans votre esprit, vous ne devez point opposer aux ordres de malfaire la justice que Dieu a mise dans votre coeur. Une faculté de votre âme étant une fois tyrannisée, toutes les autres facultés doivent l'être également.
-Voltaire

Planet Algol

#267
August 21, 2012, 02:15:08 AM
Quote from: Panzerkraken;574452I still like the idea that even sound slows down to 5'/rd inside the cloud :) Maybe that's why he's saying they can't receive the orders...
Maybe they're getting a dismal ping on their echolocation?
Yeah, but who gives a fuck? You? Jibba?

Well congrats. No one else gives a shit, so your arguments are a waste of breath.

crkrueger

#268
August 21, 2012, 03:16:48 AM
Quote from: Panzerkraken;574458So you're saying that an extraplanar creature wouldn't be able to speak the dominant language on its own plane?  Doesn't that sound a bit illogical to you?
Umm, you realize this exact kind of thing is the reason for the last 7000 posts, right?  Logic does not matter.  The rules state...
1. Every creature with Int 3 speaks one language.
2. If not specified, the language is common.
3. Therefore since Infernal is not specified, Infernal Bats speak Common and not Infernal.

Is it 100% Full Retard? Sure, but it's the rules (according to Kaelik, no way I'm double-checking that one).
Mguys speaks Infernal anyway, so it's immaterial, all that matters is how far away he is, and Jeff has that under control I assume.
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Panzerkraken

#269
August 21, 2012, 03:23:45 AM
Quote from: CRKrueger;574466Umm, you realize this exact kind of thing is the reason for the last 7000 posts, right?  Logic does not matter.  The rules state...
1. Every creature with Int 3 speaks one language.
2. If not specified, the language is common.
3. Therefore since Infernal is not specified, Infernal Bats speak Common and not Infernal.

Is it 100% Full Retard? Sure, but it's the rules (according to Kaelik, no way I'm double-checking that one).
Mguys speaks Infernal anyway, so it's immaterial, all that matters is how far away he is, and Jeff has that under control I assume.

Yup, my statement was 100% rhetorical, and I agree, Jeff is the ultimate authority on it.
Si vous n'opposez point aux ordres de croire l'impossible l'intelligence que Dieu a mise dans votre esprit, vous ne devez point opposer aux ordres de malfaire la justice que Dieu a mise dans votre coeur. Une faculté de votre âme étant une fois tyrannisée, toutes les autres facultés doivent l'être également.
-Voltaire
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