Also, since these experiments are attracting attention both trollish and actual. It is my intention to do an open after scenario analysis like you would do any combat exercise for those interested in the actual play.

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I'd rule that a flyer could maintain altitude in a cloud of solid fog if it wanted – if it's thick enough to block the flyer's movement to 5' per round, it's thick enough for the flyer to essentially swim in.

Pretty much what I thought since it would take a 11 mph or 21+ mph wind to move a Solid Fog.

Well, I obviously disagree about the Solid Fog floating, but I certainly agree that the Hippogriff wouldn't be falling wildly out of control (if very slowly...). But I'm not the DM, and I certainly wouldn't contest the flying fog ruling at the table.

Mostly because if I hate the DM's rulings all the time I just run a game where I can rule the way I think is right.


But, to clarify: I do think it is a reasonable call. Just not MY call.

Quote from: Spike;573370Well, I obviously disagree about the Solid Fog floating, but I certainly agree that the Hippogriff wouldn't be falling wildly out of control (if very slowly...). But I'm not the DM, and I certainly wouldn't contest the flying fog ruling at the table.

Mostly because if I hate the DM's rulings all the time I just run a game where I can rule the way I think is right.


But, to clarify: I do think it is a reasonable call. Just not MY call.

Thing is, we all have different styles of DMing. That is one of the great things about tabletop RPGs that I enjoy. It is always different every time.

Quote from: jeff37923;573396Thing is, we all have different styles of DMing. That is one of the great things about tabletop RPGs that I enjoy. It is always different every time.

So the decision stands. In that case, with the fighter disposed of for effectively the entire time it would take to have an actual combat (if there were of course another objective) I'd claim victory right here and right now considering I just shut the fighter and everything he could possibly do right now in a single move. I negated the possibility of him ever shooting me in the previous, long and drawn out move. However I'm really sure, that I will be demanded to actually kill the fighter to make my point (even though I have no reason to and he effectively can't do shit to me right now or for four turns) and can't just choose this time to leave this completely disabled threat right?

Quote from: MGuy;573424So the decision stands. In that case, with the fighter disposed of for effectively the entire time it would take to have an actual combat (if there were of course another objective) I'd claim victory right here and right now considering I just shut the fighter and everything he could possibly do right now in a single move. I negated the possibility of him ever shooting me in the previous, long and drawn out move. However I'm really sure, that I will be demanded to actually kill the fighter to make my point (even though I have no reason to and he effectively can't do shit to me right now or for four turns) and can't just choose this time to leave this completely disabled threat right?

This is the Thunderdome.

Two men enter. One man leaves.

Actually: your obsessive desire to keep every one of your actions, with the exception of that single spell, confined to a PM hurts your case. We can't, as witnesses, objectively measure what you did fairly since, just like we can't measure your character as we haven't see it, we don't actually know.

Further: unless the stated goal was 'can I annoy the fighter for four rounds' you haven't made the case for anything yet. I could, for example, prove victory based on the conditions you declared simply by... not showing up to the fight.

You seem to suffer from premature exclamation.

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Quote from: Benoist;573338In the way you just did here, at an actual game table. If the DM had just said what Jeff just posted and nothing more, saying to MGuy across the table "your move", would you have intervened like you just did here talking about the spell and what it ought to do with Panzer's mount?

Benoist, stop being an idiot for six whole seconds.

Would I have intervened like I just did here to talk about the spell and what it ought to do?

I don't know Benoist, can you point to any place in this thread where I, at any point, talked about what the Solid Fog spell would do?

Can you point to any such instance?

No, you can't. Stop being an idiot.

Huh, I didn't know delaying someone for four rounds in 3e counts as victory. This will be useful next time I play it.

Quote from: Opaopajr;573462Huh, I didn't know delaying someone for four rounds in 3e counts as victory. This will be useful next time I play it.

Mguy points out that if his mission were anything other than killing his opponent, four rounds is enough time to claim victory.  If the fighter were guarding the Jeweled McGuffin, at the back of the cave, or on the ground below him, Mguy could grab it and go.  If the Fighter were guarding a prisoner, they could make good their escape.  

Thunderdome has a very different 'victory condition' than most D&D fights.  You don't usually need to KILL every wandering monster.  Disabling the monster long enough to bypass it usually is fine, too.  Most PCs do KILL the monster, but that's just because they can.  

If Mguy had any mission other than 'kill the Fighter' or possibly 'take something the Fighter has on his person', he could complete that mission while the Fighter was incapacitated.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;573467Mguy points out that if his mission were anything other than killing his opponent, four rounds is enough time to claim victory.  If the fighter were guarding the Jeweled McGuffin, at the back of the cave, or on the ground below him, Mguy could grab it and go.  If the Fighter were guarding a prisoner, they could make good their escape.  

Thunderdome has a very different 'victory condition' than most D&D fights.  You don't usually need to KILL every wandering monster.  Disabling the monster long enough to bypass it usually is fine, too.  Most PCs do KILL the monster, but that's just because they can.  

If Mguy had any mission other than 'kill the Fighter' or possibly 'take something the Fighter has on his person', he could complete that mission while the Fighter was incapacitated.

If the item or prisoner was near the fighter he has achieved diddly squat.

So far all I've seen is the wizard expend some limited resources. In a real game that matters (as opposed to the 'denners' reality where he wizard always has a full load).

Don't get me wrong, MGuy does gain a tactical advantage. There are a number of way he can use the four rounds.

Just as there are a few ways Panzerkraken can do things too. If PK leaves the fog from an unaticipated angle it could be a tactical wash for MG. If PK just... hangs out with a readied action, waiting for the fog to clear it could be a wash, or he could be setting himself up for further abuse.

But lets not mistake that slowing someone to 5' a turn, flying or not, in a solid fog is anything other than a significant advantage.

Victory, however, still needs to be actually claimed.

nitpick: feel free to ignore


 the spell description say that it spread in "20 feet radius 20 feet high", not 20 feet deep. the description assume the spell is cast at ground level, but I still think the cloud is actually only 20 feet high.
So, either there is no fog under Panzerkraken's mount or there is only 10 feet or it, it depend if you read the center of the spell as the geometrical center or as the origin point.

Yeah, sorry.

Quote from: Spike;573321Also: Panzerkrakens avatar is Toshiro Mifune. Looks to be from Yojimbo, but could be the sequel (whose name escapes at hte moment.)

Since I haven't got my permanet Kudo yet, nor have I been told I was dead wrong, the movie who's named escaped me just came to me: Sanjuro.

I won't attempt to remember the character's name as he gives a different, obvious lie, in each movie.