If he's closed in then you already know my move. We were... 244ft apart before I made my last move to close in. If I'm in range you already know what my plan is.

Quote from: Spike;572958MGuy, if you don't understand why people think you were quitting, I'll help ya out.

M'k

QuoteReads a lot like "I'm done".

Only if you read "Don't put much work into it" as "I quit", and I'm sure to some people it may, I can lazily do a play by post and I'm not going to rush jeff along for this largely pointless exercise. Also, considering this was in response to the match taking too long I doubly don't see how this would = I quit.

QuoteAlso reads a lot like "I'm done".

It reads like "I'm done with the wiz v fighter thread/conversation" considering that's what I was saying.

QuoteThis doesn't, but I'd like to reflect on the fact that every D&D character gets enough magical items to practically be a magical character anyway. That this happens to be more useful to melee types than magic types in no way means that mundane melee types are somehow inferior.  Heck, I could turn it around and point out that being deliberately gimped in Hit Points and useable items in return for innate spell casting is actually weaker in D&D level progression scheme, where almost any spell you want and or need is available in a magic item.

A few things, which I'm sure I've already pointed out. You use the word "more useful" for melee types. No, it's more necessary period for those who don't have awesome. Magic items are less necessary for wizardy casting types but still very useful. Were I inclined to show off what I could do by bending wealth by level over my knee I would have, but this is a match that's supposed to show what the classes can do. In it I intend to prove that the CLASS itself without any overt shennanigans (wealth by level magic items shennanigans, planar binding cheese, cohort help, etc) can beat the best fighter that this guy can make in core. He chose to make a cohort aided flying archer and so I have to just beat that.

What's more is I don't know what edition you're referring to because a melee fighter in third can't do melee in third without charOP or serious magic item allotment. at higher levels The former requires that the fighter resort to one button tactics and have access to more books and the latter may not even help enough. Then it sticks more because the higher level you are the less the fighter can actually do melee without the dreaded "character builds".

QuoteI don't because I respect men who like to wear dresses for their lifestyle choices.

Not sure what your transgender phobia has to do with what's going on here but your disrespect for other people's harmless life choices is noted.

QuoteNow: This reads like "I'm declaring myself the winner, so I'm done."

Then let me clarify. Best plan that the fighter here could come up with is to get on a flying cohort horse and specifically stay as far away from me as possible so he can't possibly get into a melee fight hoping that my wizard would stand still and die while he plunks him with arrows from far away. Not exactly the smartest plan considering all the options I have for evasion and escape, but of course to the fighter there is no "escape" from battle or avoiding it to do something smarter. There is only direct conflict. So I'm playing into the fighter's arena style combat that he's beholden to because there's nothing else the fighter can do.

QuoteNow, maybe you've managed to do something cool that NO ONE but you and Jeff have seen so far.  But to the rest of us? It looks a lot like you and Panzer flying around blindly... or maybe just Panzer (since I still never saw you make a spot check...)

The fact that while panzer was flying around and couldn't see me while I'm doing things in secret should enlighten you like it did DeadDM that I am probably approaching this carefully as I think my character would. I mean didn't your little party just now "get" to the caves they are s'posed to be exploring? Didn't you have your caster do up some auguries or some shit? Complaining about how I have to get in range to do stuff at all is an odd thing considering it wasn't my choice to start off this far away.

QuoteSee all those phrases you used, just in one short post that can all be easily read as "I'm done"?

That might just be why people, including the GM, thought you were quitting.

I just think it's funny that DeadDM read it exactly the way it was intended AND was able to accurately tell what I was probably doing and why. Hell the only reason jeff was confused is because he didn't see me give him the Ride Check he asked for. So no, your reasoning and the other's do not seem like they have any real weight to them.

Panzerkraken, the hawk has dissappeared and been replaced by what appears to be a wizard on the back of a hippogriff who is casting a spell within 200 feet of you.

MGuy, I need to know the center of your spell.

Quote from: jeff37923;573194Panzerkraken, the hawk has dissappeared and been replaced by what appears to be a wizard on the back of a hippogriff who is casting a spell within 200 feet of you.

MGuy, I need to know the center of your spell.

I'd like to make a ride check to try to evade; wingover and drop altitude in a dive.

There's no reflex save for this spell. I center it right in front of his mount.

A Solid Fog spell has been cast and has formed in front of Panzerkraken's mount. He is in the midst of it. The fog is a 20 foot radius spherical cloud that obscures Panzerkraken from sight within it and prevents him from seeing MGuy outside of it (total concealment).

Panzerkraken, it is your move.

Quote from: jeff37923;573274A Solid Fog spell has been cast and has formed in front of Panzerkraken's mount. He is in the midst of it. The fog is a 20 foot radius spherical cloud that obscures Panzerkraken from sight within it and prevents him from seeing MGuy outside of it (total concealment).

Panzerkraken, it is your move.

So with the mount being unable to maintain forward momentum (required to fly) what happens?  Does the mount start falling requiring the Reflex saves to regain control of flight?

Quote from: jeff37923;573274A Solid Fog spell has been cast and has formed in front of Panzerkraken's mount. He is in the midst of it. The fog is a 20 foot radius spherical cloud that obscures Panzerkraken from sight within it and prevents him from seeing MGuy outside of it (total concealment).

Panzerkraken, it is your move.

Continue the dive, albeit slower.  My mount only has average maneuverability, so since he can only move at 5'/rd, then that's about the only choice.  I'll come out of it in a corkscrew dive and try to gain some distance.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;573275So with the mount being unable to maintain forward momentum (required to fly) what happens?  Does the mount start falling requiring the Reflex saves to regain control of flight?

I was already expecting to be diving, so we'll just continue that and I'll reassure him that he just needs to keep his dive going when we come out the bottom.  He has a 10 INT

Quote from: deadDMwalking;573275So with the mount being unable to maintain forward momentum (required to fly) what happens?  Does the mount start falling requiring the Reflex saves to regain control of flight?

Mount should begin falling. I'm assuming there's gonna be a Ride Check for staying in the saddle as the horse falls. Reflex save for the horse to recover. 20 I believe is the reflex save though the GM may rule that it should be higher considering the armor laden man on his back. I don't think it matters much either way as I assume he has something feather fall-ish since he has a flying mount.

Quote from: Panzerkraken;573278I was already expecting to be diving, so we'll just continue that and I'll reassure him that he just needs to keep his dive going when we come out the bottom.  He has a 10 INT

Can't. He can only move 5ft a round in solid fog. He can't "dive" out of the cloud since "diving" is him moving. He can only fall and try to recover after falling out of it. He has to fly 5ft before making a dive and 5ft is all he can move.

Quote from: MGuy;573283Can't. He can only move 5ft a round in solid fog. He can't "dive" out of the cloud since "diving" is him moving. He can only fall and try to recover after falling out of it.

Shhh. You can GM some other time.

In clarification, I want him to rotate himself so he has his nose pointed downward, and fold his wings so that when we leave the cloud, he's diving.  He won't be moving any faster than the cloud will allow, which gives him plenty of time to flutter his wings and wriggle around to change his facing.

Hey McGuy,

How about letting the GM do his job. Do you behave like this at the gaming table?

Jeff called for an action from Panzerkraken without providing any information about what was happening - other than he was in a solid fog spell.  

Now, maybe Jeff sent a PM explaining what that means, but those of us in the audience didn't see it.  

It's fair to offer our interpretation of what would happen and ask if the GM considered this rule or that rule - because three-dimensional flying combat probably doesn't happen that many times in a typical campaign.

He also won't fall out of the sky either, not really.  Solid fog cushions falling characters in the spell description, and I'd suggest that Panzer and his mount are limited to falling to 5' a round.

My question is, of course, if the fog itself falls.