Quote from: Declan MacManus;571208This thread reaffirms just why I think 3rd edition is a bloody holocaust, and that people who enjoy it are soulless, hermetic aspie shitwiches who need to find another hobby.

Opinions are like assholes.  Everyone's got one, and don't mind hearing it now and then, but everyone else thinks they stink.

/shrug  I've enjoyed a lot of 3rd edition games, but I don't find myself soulless, hermetic or aspie, although shitwich might be accurate, I guess.

But I don't need another hobby.  Maybe if you don't like the content you just shouldn't read the thread.  It's a lot more mature than popping in to tell us all you hate us.

Quote from: Declan MacManus;571208This thread reaffirms just why I think 3rd edition is a bloody holocaust, and that people who enjoy it are soulless, hermetic aspie shitwiches who need to find another hobby.

That's cool.

Quote from: Panzerkraken;571159Air?  What air?

1d20-1=1

I swear, there's only been like 2 rolls over 6 so far for either of us

Gods, I think this dice roller hates you.

OK, MGuy - what is your action?

Well Declan expresses his POV with over the top, offensive language, but I basically agree with his point: this thread just shows how anal-retentive, rules-lawyery some players can be, and how 3rd ed becomes a nightmare to play under these conditions.

I acknowledge some people see some fun in counting modifiers and checking the rules book for every move they make, since for them the rules system pretty much IS the game, but I never found any fun in that, personally, even while running 3rd ed myself.

I was fortunate enough to have players who didn't care about such things. I play 3rd ed with like-minded people now. It can be fun. Under certain conditions. The approach displayed here is pretty much antithetical to anything I consider fun in an RPG. I did break game systems, I did optimize characters outrageously in my day, like pretty much any gamer I'd expect. And yet... I just don't find it any fun anymore. It's too easy, and kind of pointless when the GM can outgun you in pretty much every case, if he's so willing.

It's not in my nature to bitch that "the game isn't fair". I like a good challenge. I like that the GM can throw pretty much anything at me and keep me on my toes. That's the way I have the most fun with the game. When I have to overcome significant obstacles and deal with the situation, whatever it may be. I like to play low-level magic users in particular because I like the challenge. Some gamers will never get that. I'm fine with it.

I'll shut up and let you go on with the thunderdome now.

Quote from: Benoist;571252Well Declan expresses his POV with over the top, offensive language

Declan is just trying to troll this thread because I make his penis feel small.

Quote from: Benoist;571252I'll shut up and let you go on with the thunderdome now.

Thank you.

13 pages in and nary a drop of blood. Just like the actual gaming table I suppose. If this were B/X it would have been settled by now. :cool:

Quote from: Exploderwizard;57126213 pages in and nary a drop of blood. Just like the actual gaming table I suppose. If this were B/X it would have been settled by now. :cool:

Blah, blah, blah, if this wasn't being done over the internet, was at a tabletop, and I didn't have to work for a living this would have been done in an hour. :rolleyes:

Quote from: jeff37923;571269Blah, blah, blah, if this wasn't being done over the internet, was at a tabletop, and I didn't have to work for a living this would have been done in an hour. :rolleyes:

Or less.

Quote from: Panzerkraken;571290Or less.

Definitely less.

Quote from: jeff37923;571255Declan is just trying to troll this thread because I make his penis feel small.

That's weird. Your wife has been complaining about how much I stretch her out.

Anyway...I just wanted to let you and your friends know that you're a bunch of assholes who are turning D&D into M:tG and now the hobby sucks because of you. Also, I hope your 3.5 reprints come with free anthrax.

I'll let you get back to your McJob now.

Quote from: Benoist;571252I was fortunate enough to have players who didn't care about such things. I play 3rd ed with like-minded people now. It can be fun. Under certain conditions. The approach displayed here is pretty much antithetical to anything I consider fun in an RPG. I did break game systems, I did optimize characters outrageously in my day, like pretty much any gamer I'd expect. And yet... I just don't find it any fun anymore. It's too easy, and kind of pointless when the GM can outgun you in pretty much every case, if he's so willing.

Yeah but at that point you might as well be playing AD&D 1, if you're not in it for the autistic number fellating.

Here's the problem with 3rd edition...the people for whom it is the game of choice are assholes.

Just to be clear...I'm not stating that playing the game makes them assholes...merely that the game appeals to them precisely BECAUSE they are assholes.

D&D 3rd edition takes all of the shittiest gamer traits and rewards them. That game is written for rules lawyers, and munchkins, and powergamers...just running the game at upper levels is a rules mastery arms race, or else whoever has the most sourcebooks is just going to bully the rest of the table around. This is the target audience for 3E...the most whiny, petulant, entitled, self-centered, antisocial gamers out there. The fact that it appears to be the most popular just goes to show how utterly feculent the hobby has become, and why it deserves to die.

And rest assured...it will die. Eventually the shitwalll barring entry will become so impenetrable that no one new will join...and the old guard will all die of renal failure. We aren't keeping it alive...we're keeping it hooked up to machines like Terry Schiavo. I give it two agonizing decades of lingering, rotting, slow death.

Quote from: Declan MacManus;571320Yeah but at that point you might as well be playing AD&D 1, if you're not in it for the autistic number fellating.

Here's the problem with 3rd edition...the people for whom it is the game of choice are assholes.

Just to be clear...I'm not stating that playing the game makes them assholes...merely that the game appeals to them precisely BECAUSE they are assholes.

D&D 3rd edition takes all of the shittiest gamer traits and rewards them. That game is written for rules lawyers, and munchkins, and powergamers...just running the game at upper levels is a rules mastery arms race, or else whoever has the most sourcebooks is just going to bully the rest of the table around. This is the target audience for 3E...the most whiny, petulant, entitled, self-centered, antisocial gamers out there. The fact that it appears to be the most popular just goes to show how utterly feculent the hobby has become, and why it deserves to die.

And rest assured...it will die. Eventually the shitwalll barring entry will become so impenetrable that no one new will join...and the old guard will all die of renal failure. We aren't keeping it alive...we're keeping it hooked up to machines like Terry Schiavo. I give it two agonizing decades of lingering, rotting, slow death.

Gonna take this to its own thread wait.

EDIT - Done.

Quote from: Benoist;571325Gonna take this to its own thread wait.

EDIT - Done.

Good, you and McMuffin can fellate each other somewhere else and stop being a site disruption on this thread.

MGuy, Panzerkracken, the distance between you both is now 240 ft. Panzercracken, you need a DC 15 Spot check to see anything in the air with you.