Quote from: deadDMwalking;570999That seems pretty unreasonable.  The figurine of wondrous power seems like it should come with reasonable gear (considering it is not, in fact, a hippogriff).  But it doesn't say in the SRD.  I'll look it up in the DMG tonight to see if it has additional description.

I looked, it doesn't, even the ones specifically designed to be a mount (Goat of Traveling, Obsidian Steed) don't make any mention of riding trappings.  It's probably left up to the GM to decide if they come with anything or not, and depending on the interpretation of how the creature works (thinking of the way Salvatore treated Driz's cat) they either exist on a spiritual plane or are just animated critters from the statuette itself.  So they might or might not have trappings according to GM whim.

I'm just guessing based on the call for a DC10 ride though.

I suggest waiting to get Jeff's response to the question. Looking at the chart the two possibilities seem to be the saddle issue or he simply made a mistake about the fight with warhorse rule. No point in you guys looking up stuff if jeff decides no roll is required. If he wants to go forward with it best to know his reason first then address that.

I am almost tempted to suggest each side should be able to designate a rules lawyer for this kind of stuff

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;571001I suggest waiting to get Jeff's response to the question. Looking at the chart the two possibilities seem to be the saddle issue or he simply made a mistake about the fight with warhorse rule. No point in you guys looking up stuff if jeff decides no roll is required. If he wants to go forward with it best to know his reason first then address that.

I am almost tempted to suggest each side should be able to designate a rules lawyer for this kind of stuff

Lol!

We were just passing time

The end all of the matter is: GM says roll your dice.  Do it or take a duck to the face at 200 knots.

My two cents, looking at the SRD: ordinary saddles are 'set dressing' so far as the rules are concerned. A military saddle provides a bonus to ride checks.

To avoid made up rules, a smart flyer uses an exotic (for flying mount) military saddle, keeping him from falling off his mount 75% of the time (and I note that the mounted combat rules seem to indicate unconciousness as the only reason people fall off horses. Silly, perhaps, but RAW).

Thus I am forced to agree that I don't grasp the need for the ride check at this time, but I would also say MGuy should probably roll it and then ask Jeff to explain why its needed.

(Extra bonus: Ride skill points out that bareback is a -5 to DC checks, and there is an easy (5) 'stay in saddle' check for taking damage, and a DC 10 check to fight with a warhorse.... So this is probably a 'guide with knees, bareback' check at DC 10.)

Wow I seem to have missed quite a bit at work. A few things:

1) I was at work for most of this day so that's that.

2) I gave him my ride check I made it 1d20+4. Result 6 + 4 = 10. Edit: Bam by the way

3) Yes I bought an exotic military saddle for it.

4) Yes I spent some of my wealth by level on a saddle. I didn't even spend all my wealth. I still had like 14,000 or so left.

5) I did ask and disagree that it was necessary. He said it was because casting though nowhere in the rules does it say I have to especially when I haven't even been attacked and the situation so far isn't tense. However I went along with the roll anyway.

Quote from: MGuy;571116Wow I seem to have missed quite a bit at work. A few things:

1) I was at work for most of this day so that's that.

2) I gave him my ride check I made it 1d20+4. Result 6 + 4 = 10. Edit: Bam by the way

3) Yes I bought an exotic military saddle for it.

4) Yes I spent some of my wealth by level on a saddle. I didn't even spend all my wealth. I still had like 14,000 or so left.

5) I did ask and disagree that it was necessary. He said it was because casting though nowhere in the rules does it say I have to especially when I haven't even been attacked and the situation so far isn't tense. However I went along with the roll anyway.

I didn't click on the link MGuy provided and apologize. That one was my bad. I was an idiot.

MGuy does have an exotic saddle, so that is not the issue.

I requested the Ride check because his wizard is casting a spell with a somatic componant while on a hippogriff that is flying. The achieved Concentration check means his spell goes off successfully. The achieved Ride check means that his wizard remains in control of his flying mount while casting the spell.

I'm likening this to riding a horse at full gallop while trying to perform lasso tricks, except worse because of the whole flying and spellcasting part. That is why I gave it a DC of 10 for both. I understand how this may be disagreed with, but I don't think that controlling a hippogriff in flight while gesticulating in order to cast a spell would be so easy as to forego a skill check.

DC 10 is nothing don't let Mguy fake you. I would have done DC
15 or 20. I'm a bitch so deal with it and move along already.

MGuy, Panzerkracken, the distance between you both is now 440 ft. Panzercracken, you need a DC 20 Spot check to see anything in the air with you.

Quote from: jeff37923;571148MGuy, Panzerkracken, the distance between you both is now 440 ft. Panzercracken, you need a DC 20 Spot check to see anything in the air with you.

Air?  What air?

1d20-1=1

I swear, there's only been like 2 rolls over 6 so far for either of us

God help me, I have an unholy love for players who roll ones on spot checks.

Its such a fucking theme at my table that I've had players roll spot checks that I didn't even ask for (seriously: My players love to roll dice before I ask for rolls. Generally this is bad for them, as I only pay attention to the failed rolls... Why do they do it to themselves??? WHY???).

So: Five players see thirty orcs in a crowded hallway. Four players start fighting orcs while one player scratches his balls and wonders why everyone is shouting because he rolled a one. that I didn't even ask for.  Because it is fucking funny.

thank you, Panzerkracken. Thank you for bringing the 'hey, lookit the pretty, pretty butterflies' for me.

Quote from: Spike;571160thank you, Panzerkracken. Thank you for bringing the 'hey, lookit the pretty, pretty butterflies' for me.

You're welcome, also, as you can clearly see from my spot checks, there's no 'c' in panzerkraken

And I rolled a 2, dammit!  Modifiers don't make you fumble!

Sorry, any screen name longer than my own gives me troubles. You're lucky I didn't call you panzywasteits?

I do admit I may have missed something.  Why a dc 20 spot check to see a big flying thing? Also: did the wiz have to make a spot check?

Bah, I need to shut up and eat mah poppencorn.




EDIT::: I apparently rolled a 1 to 'read pun'. Damnit!

Quote from: Spike;571162EDIT::: I apparently rolled a 1 to 'read pun'. Damnit!

:rotfl:

Quote from: jeff37923;571142I'm likening this to riding a horse at full gallop while trying to perform lasso tricks, except worse because of the whole flying and spellcasting part. That is why I gave it a DC of 10 for both. I understand how this may be disagreed with, but I don't think that controlling a hippogriff in flight while gesticulating in order to cast a spell would be so easy as to forego a skill check.

Just observing, but I'd think the Concentration check is appropriate, but the 'guide with knees' DC 5 would be the only required check.  He's not making the mount do anything it doesn't want to do, anyway.

This thread reaffirms just why I think 3rd edition is a bloody holocaust, and that people who enjoy it are soulless, hermetic aspie shitwiches who need to find another hobby.