Quote from: Kaelik;575721And I think they have not. They admitted that deadDM never ruled in my favor even once on any contested issue, but need to read everything I post anyways because... definitely not so that metagaming could happen... some other reason.



I know Justin and Jeff are dishonest assholes who would both cheat for the "victory" in a Thunderdome, and I watched jeff do just that.

Since everyone here has largely admitted that deadDM is not going to cheat on my behalf, the situation does not compare.

It has nothing to do with the DM cheating, but with the effect that kind of badgering can have on his decisions. While I think DeadDM handled himself quite well, it is nearly impossible not to be affected by persistent player badgering like you were doing where no alternate point of view is being expressed. While he did a good job, he was jumping through hoops to keep you happy and fend off childish allegations that he was taking the side of therpgsite.

I even just stated, have the PMs if you want, so long as you agree not to engage in that kind of behavior. If you can't accept that small condition, then I don't really know what to say. I think people have been more than patient with you at this point.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;575735he was jumping through hoops to keep you happy and fend off childish allegations that he was taking the side of therpgsite.

No he wasn't. He made one stupid call that I didn't even contest except to point out that he was wrong, and he correctly understood the meaning of the world plane where I did not, and I was totally fine with that after I figured it out because it was right. Also he told Spike everything I was doing, and that was stupid.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;575735I even just stated, have the PMs if you want, so long as you agree not to engage in that kind of behavior.

1) "That behavior" is apparently tell the DM he is wrong when he is wrong. You can be sure that is a condition I will never agree to.

2) It doesn't matter what you say if Justin refuses to play unless he gets to read my PMs.

Kaelik i have offered a reasonable compromise. PMs without the pestering and name calling. Lets see if Justin agrees.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;575797Lets see if Justin agrees.

But you didn't see if he agrees before you started chastising me for not agreeing to your rules.

I guess just like everything else with you, this obligation only goes one way.

Quote from: Kaelik;575858But you didn't see if he agrees before you started chastising me for not agreeing to your rules.

I guess just like everything else with you, this obligation only goes one way.

Actually, honestly, I think everyone can see you're the one being a whiner and a cunt here. You've at least made that determination so this thread, and the others like it referenced on other threads now as examples of what happens in bad games when players behave like douches, has at least served this one purpose.

Congratulations. You're the butt of the joke now. Job well done.

Man. On principle I don't wanna agree with Declan completely on his thread premise but holy fuck is this some compelling shit.

Quote from: Kaelik;575858But you didn't see if he agrees before you started chastising me for not agreeing to your rules.

I guess just like everything else with you, this obligation only goes one way.

Are you a professional whiner?

You immediately objected and did so in a way that sounded very childish. This whole thing you have going where I am somehow being unfair to you, is getting very old very fast. If anything I think I have been most accomodating to what amounts to some truly insulting behavior on your part. I am still happy to post cordially with you. But my patience is coming to an end here. Instead of measuring my response to other peoples' behavior, you should maybe focus a bit on your own conduct.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;575797Kaelik i have offered a reasonable compromise. PMs without the pestering and name calling. Lets see if Justin agrees.

You have the soul of Jesus and the patience of Job. To bad Kaelik refuses to see it.

As Yoda would say, "There no there, there, IS."

First off, nobody should be telling other people what they can or cannot PM me.  My Private Messages are mine.  If Kaelik didn't call me a dick, how would I know it was really him?  

But in all seriousness, the whole locking the other thread and creating this thread when nobody had agreed to anything was stupid and premature.  If we were going to do this thing, it would be appropriate for the DM to set it up and lay out the ground rules.  

If we were going to do this again, we should do it the right way -

1) New monster (from the list) or at least no confirmation of WHICH monster it would be.
2) New party.  If Spike didn't do a good job, nobody else should be compelled to use characters they think are suboptimal.
3) Either side could present information to me via PM, but I will describe action for the benefit of the audience from the eyes of what the party sees.  If the party does something that the monster couldn't know about and SHOULDN'T know about, if the player doesn't want the monster to know (even though the DM would) can accommodate that.  
4) If I'm the DM, my rulings can be subject to scrutiny - I care about doing things right and reasonably - if the rules are silent on something (like whether a wall of ice makes a sound) I'll make a ruling that I think makes sense.  Both sides can tell me if and why I'm wrong - but if the rules don't speak to something, my interpretation will stand.  

As it stands, Spike quit, but it appeared that he didn't really have a good solution to the problem.  Continuing to run that scenario from the point it ended has a limited ability to contribute to the discussion - namely, that a well-played opponent can TPK a high level part at whim.  But if anyone can review Spike's characters (posted on the thread) and suggest a workable strategy, that could be relevant to the discussion WITHOUT the need to go with a THUNDERDOME.  

We have a clear situation, described as a campaign situation including the nearby town.  We have the PCs, along with all their prepared spells and equipment.  We know who the opponent is: a Bone Devil.  We know the Bone Devil can see in darkness; we know the Bone Devil can use greater teleport, major image, and wall of ice at will.  We know that the Bone Devil will trap and possibly separate the party while remaining invisible.  

How does the party find the devil and force a confrontation?  That's the question that, if answered, shows how the party prevents a TPK.  

I don't really care if anyone wants to step up and run the Thunderdome.  Being unwilling to do so would mean, that to be graceful, accept Kaelik's victory as proof positive (not inconclusive) because that's Thunderdome.  And if you can't accept it, start by figuring out a workable victory strategy in the current scenario.  Let's discuss it here, and if we really think it's viable, let's look at the possibility of doing a Thunderdome - with no restrictions on who can send me a PM and/or why.

Well the first thing we can start with for further Thunderdomes is forget this braindead disingenuous bullshit about a forfeited victory proving anything except the other guy is a pussy.

About the only thing Kaelik won in my view is my contempt if that. He won nothing and proved even less. You disappoint me DeadDM.

Quote from: CRKrueger;575937Well the first thing we can start with for further Thunderdomes is forget this braindead disingenuous bullshit about a forfeited victory proving anything except the other guy is a pussy.

At this point, I am pretty sure the only way this is going to work is if Sacrosanct DMs, you play the Bone Devil, and I play the party.  Or some combination thereof.  It won't convince the Denners, but that wasn't a possibility in the first place.  At least it will settle things.

Quote from: StormBringer;575972At this point, I am pretty sure the only way this is going to work is if Sacrosanct DMs, you play the Bone Devil, and I play the party.  Or some combination thereof.  It won't convince the Denners, but that wasn't a possibility in the first place.  At least it will settle things.

Brendan would be best but he doesn't know 3x well enough.  Sacrosanct would be and interesting choice though.  Heck, Ben would be a good choice also given he can run multiple game systems and DM's with the right mindset. (not a competition).

Quote from: StormBringer;575972At this point, I am pretty sure the only way this is going to work is if Sacrosanct DMs, you play the Bone Devil, and I play the party.  Or some combination thereof.  It won't convince the Denners, but that wasn't a possibility in the first place.  At least it will settle things.

That would actually be good to see. If only for a sense of closure and with participants who will conduct themselves reasonably. Having said that I dont have a problem with deadDMwalking. He has conducted himself with a lot of class.