Okay, Kaelik won.  He can put it on his résumé (CV).

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Quote from: KaelikIf when I arrive I don't see the party, then I will cast Wall of Ice 5ft closer to me than the door into that small room.

Understood.  Based on Spike's response are you okay with skipping 20 rounds or so - the time it will take him to make it back to the intersection?

Apparently you misunderstand, as soon as he walks out the door he will see a wall of ice. He can't get back to the intersection.

New Map:

http://postimage.org/image/h67a2tlxl/

I'm going to keep putting up more walls of ice right behind the most recent one.

The red circle is the Bone Devil.

Thank you for the clarification.  I did misunderstand.  I thought you were planning on putting the wall of ice close to you, not close to the party.  

I assume you're planning on putting 10 of them in the hall?  No problem.  The time spent thoroughly searching the room easily amounts to over 10 rounds.  

I don't know if you were planning on trying to summon more devils at any point, so I went ahead and rolled for it.  For the first day, you'd fail.

Low is good (1d100=91)

But if this goes into another adventuring day, it might work.

You asshole. Now I have to metagame.

Don't roll the percentile until I actually fucking try it. Now you can be sure that I will never decide to spend the standard action unless I deliberately decide to gimp myself.

On this one, I recognized that he was right.  I shouldn't have rolled until he specified the action.  I figured that since it failed, it wouldn't matter, but since he didn't attempt it while the party was occupied and MIGHT try it in combat it COULD matter.  It could force him to waste an action summoning a devil.  In the effort to be fair I apologized for rolling ahead of his declared action and advised that I would discount the roll (since he hadn't asked for it) and only roll if he actually tried to summon a devil.

DeadDM, i am not claiming spie can claim victory, i am saying kaelik didn't win anything based on what we have seen. Spike did literally almost zero. It isnt an ego contest it is an attempt to put sme of these ideas into action rather than debate hyoptheticals all day long. To do that, the scenario must at least play out.

As to review, i don't have time for that kind of review. As a general rule, i dont do that with threads (review older posts or anything like that) because i have others things to accomplish in a day. I was just making clear i ould have missed something important before giving my opinion.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;574692Kaelik doesn't like me very much.  I've been trying to find an easy way to post PMs, but I haven't found one.  But here's a gem:

Ha!

There can be only one!

Jesus, that boy ought to get out more - maybe get a girlfriend or something.

Holy crap, Kaelik is just unhinged.

All in all, I'd consider Kaelik one of the more polite posters here.  

That's not saying much, but he's certainly not the worst.

While my signature and Spike's quitting IS hilarious it is apparently aainst RPGsite rules to have a signature pointing out how he was all talk and no show so that's that.

Quote from: MGuy;574729While my signature and Spike's quitting IS hilarious it is apparently aainst RPGsite rules to have a signature pointing out how he was all talk and no show so that's that.

It's harrassment. Get over it.

PM pundit if you really want the right to have a signature purely for the purpose of harrassing another poster. I'm sure he'll be all ears.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;574690the fact that Kaelik wins serves as proof of his claim

This is a level of non-logic that is staggering to behold.  I claim I can knock out Mike Tyson.  Tyson says "Thunderdome Bitch!".  After seeing me show up with ear armor so he can't do a Holyfield on me, Tyson calls it quits.  I can say I won.  I can say Tyson is a bitch.  I can say I stepped foot in the ring with Tyson.  I can give you a 100-page exhaustively laid out plan for beating Tyson, however I cannot say I knocked out Tyson because I did not knock out Tyson.  Stop being silly.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;574690I have to assume that Kaelik's tactic of revealing a major image of a Bone Devil, and having it absorb attacks would have been largely successful.

Riiiight, because no one knows a Bone Devil can cast Illusion. :rolleyes:

Quote from: deadDMwalking;574690I'm also forced to conclude that while the party might have stopped walls of ice forming if they were immediately next to them, that wouldn't have always been an option.

And I'm forced to assume that after they turned around and saw that first Wall of Ice, they're not going to separate 20' from each other once they know they are under attack from an unseen caster.  Duh.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;574690Either way, that works out to a demonstration that an intelligently played opponent would TPK the party.

Here's where you're being downright intellectually dishonest.  The party took no damage, lost no resources, was blocked by a Wall of Ice...and that's it.  That's not a TPK, that's not a single HP lost.  

You're not going to get this bald-faced lie to stand by repeating it 4000 times, so quit before you really make yourself look pathetic.

Quote from: One Horse Town;574734It's harrassment. Get over it.

PM pundit if you really want the right to have a signature purely for the purpose of harrassing another poster. I'm sure he'll be all ears.

So why is does this forum so aggressively condone harassment not in the signature, IE, everything that everyone on this forum has been doing to anyone from the TGD (or that they believe is from TGD)?

Quote from: CRKrueger;574736The party took no damage, lost no resources, was blocked by a Wall of Ice...and that's it.  That's not a TPK, that's not a single HP lost.

The party is all dead.  That's a TPK.

Edit - And if you go into the ring with Tyson and he takes a dive, he'd get counted out.  When he gets counted out, you get awarded a Knock Out.  I don't care that Spike 'took a dive'.  If he had the recognition of the community as capable of defending the position that the party would survive, then he should have been trusted to fight to the best of his ability.  I take his quitting as an admission that he saw no chance of victory.  Is that fair?  As far as Thunderdome goes, I think so.

Quote from: CRKrueger;574736Riiiight, because no one knows a Bone Devil can cast Illusion. :rolleyes:

Well first of all, they'd have to make the knowledge check on Bone Devils to know that. And hey look, not a single one of them has Knowledge (Planes) so I guess that's right out.

Of course, how would they know they are fighting a Bone Devil anyway? Something cast Wall of Ice. What exactly stops the Major Image (aside from Spike Metagaming) being a set of Vrocks (IE a single Vrock under the effect of Mirror Image) that they then attack?

Quote from: CRKrueger;574736And I'm forced to assume that after they turned around and saw that first Wall of Ice, they're not going to separate 20' from each other once they know they are under attack from an unseen caster.  Duh.

You do realize that basically all of them would fail the save more than half the time except the Rogue right? And that I can just keep doing it until those adjacent all fail their saves.

Quote from: Kaelik;574737So why is does this forum so aggressively condone harassment not in the signature, IE, everything that everyone on this forum has been doing to anyone from the TGD (or that they believe is from TGD)?

If it's contained to the thread it crops up, it's fine and dandy. Keep taking it to unrelated threads and you'll get a reputation as a stalker - signatures naturally appear in every thread you post to.

Now, listen up you primitive screwheads - yes, that's you Den guys.

You came here to start this party. No-one went to your little rent-an-OCD forum to bait you. You came here to tell us knuckledraggers we are wrongheaded.

I think it's a bit rich to go round someones house, tell them the furniture is shit and then throw a tantrum when they tell you to shut the fuck up.

Clear enough?

Quote from: Kaelik;574747You do realize that basically all of them would fail the save more than half the time except the Rogue right? And that I can just keep doing it until those adjacent all fail their saves.

Yeah, you can do it, but you can't target it from behind the wall yourself, so they can respond, ie. an actual fight, conditions, etc.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;574739The party is all dead.  That's a TPK.

Edit - And if you go into the ring with Tyson and he takes a dive, he'd get counted out.  When he gets counted out, you get awarded a Knock Out.  I don't care that Spike 'took a dive'.  If he had the recognition of the community as capable of defending the position that the party would survive, then he should have been trusted to fight to the best of his ability.  I take his quitting as an admission that he saw no chance of victory.  Is that fair?  As far as Thunderdome goes, I think so.

Yeah, I would have a Nice Heavyweight Belt to wear around, and Mike Tyson would be the laughing stock of the universe, but despite all that, guess what?
I did not knock out Mike Tyson, and claiming I did would make me a pathetic liar.

Also you can choose to take his quitting as an admission that he thought he was going to lose, however, since Spike told you exactly why he was leaving, and that wasn't it, I'd have to wonder why you would deliberately lie?