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There will be Cliches that aren't tied to Characters called Gimicks. Not quite worked them out though.

There's the tough and gritty Shield/Training Day cop who believes the ends justify the means.

Quote from: Ian Warner;475533Thanks, PM sent.

There will be Cliches that aren't tied to Characters called Gimicks. Not quite worked them out though.

Pete's the guy ya wanna talk to then, he's worked with cliches and gimmicks before.

Does Law & Order UK resemble generic British cop shows at all?

I haven't really watched cop shows from the UK.

Law and Order UK does struggle fitting American plots into a British style and setting somewhat. Especially seing as the Cops are portrayed as fundementally decent people. Normally every Team has at least one bad apple.

Anyway all the shows I've mentioned are distinct in their own way so really there isn't a British style as such.

Hey Ian, I work in the (English) criminal justice system so I can tell you one very common cliche that is flat-out untrue.

In every cop show ever made the police interview the suspect very aggressively, trying to find a loophole in his story and make him confess. I've seen probably over a thousand real-life interview transcripts and not one of them has ever looked like this.

The job of the police interview is NOT to break the defendant or his story - that's what the trial is for. The job of the police interview is to lock the defendant into a particular story so that the police and prosecution have a definite target to attack in their investigation and case prep.

Of course, what's realistic isn't necessarily the same as what's dramatic, but there you go.

Quote from: soviet;476645Hey Ian, I work in the (English) criminal justice system so I can tell you one very common cliche that is flat-out untrue.

In every cop show ever made the police interview the suspect very aggressively, trying to find a loophole in his story and make him confess. I've seen probably over a thousand real-life interview transcripts and not one of them has ever looked like this.

The job of the police interview is NOT to break the defendant or his story - that's what the trial is for. The job of the police interview is to lock the defendant into a particular story so that the police and prosecution have a definite target to attack in their investigation and case prep.

Of course, what's realistic isn't necessarily the same as what's dramatic, but there you go.

I've been interviewed by the British police a couple of times and they are alright really (unless you are unlucky enough to be walking home past a civil disturbance of course in which case you are fair game). However Swedish prison guards are far more attractive.

Quote from: soviet;476645Hey Ian, I work in the (English) criminal justice system so I can tell you one very common cliche that is flat-out untrue.

In every cop show ever made the police interview the suspect very aggressively, trying to find a loophole in his story and make him confess. I've seen probably over a thousand real-life interview transcripts and not one of them has ever looked like this.

The job of the police interview is NOT to break the defendant or his story - that's what the trial is for. The job of the police interview is to lock the defendant into a particular story so that the police and prosecution have a definite target to attack in their investigation and case prep.

Of course, what's realistic isn't necessarily the same as what's dramatic, but there you go.

Hence the new caution "it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something you later rely on in court"

The reality has moved on from the days of The Sweeny. The drama hasn't

Since CID is the world of the drama that will be the driving force.

Quote from: Ian Warner;476668Hence the new caution "it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something you later rely on in court"

Exactly. If you do a no comment interview, by the way, the police will exhaustively list every possible defence you could have - 'were you holding the drugs for a friend?', 'were the drugs for personal use?', 'had someone else threatened to hurt you if you didn't go along with it?', etc. That way the jury can always draw an adverse conclusion from your silence no matter what you come up with at court.

Quote from: soviet;476929Exactly. If you do a no comment interview, by the way, the police will exhaustively list every possible defence you could have - 'were you holding the drugs for a friend?', 'were the drugs for personal use?', 'had someone else threatened to hurt you if you didn't go along with it?', etc. That way the jury can always draw an adverse conclusion from your silence no matter what you come up with at court.

My dad is a Magistrate and he says every interview he ever hears from a legal aid backed case is a string of no comments followed by the Police getting pissed off so much they ask "did your counsel tell you to say no comment?"

Do they have the good cop-bad cop cliche in UK as well? That is a big one here if it hasn't been mentioned already.

Quote from: Ian Warner;476930My dad is a Magistrate and he says every interview he ever hears from a legal aid backed case is a string of no comments followed by the Police getting pissed off so much they ask "did your counsel tell you to say no comment?"

Wonder how many individuals would just quote their name, rank, and number to such police questions.

:rolleyes:

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;476931Do they have the good cop-bad cop cliche in UK as well? That is a big one here if it hasn't been mentioned already.

That's the foundation of the system. 3 Stats are Good Cop, 3 are Bad Cop. Ego allows you to reroll Bad Cop, Discipline Good Cop.

Quote from: Ian Warner;476935That's the foundation of the system. 3 Stats are Good Cop, 3 are Bad Cop. Ego allows you to reroll Bad Cop, Discipline Good Cop.

I like that.