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Team Gimp vs Standard adventuring day.

Started by Mr. GC, October 06, 2012, 07:21:06 PM

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Internet Death

Quote from: StormBringer;593507And I think you haven't been around long enough to make suggestions along those lines, so go ahead and pound sand up your ass.

Also, the "large and in charge" entitlement entrance?  Not going to get you very far in these parts.  Well, not entirely true; it will get you quite a distance down the 'obviously offline associates of Mr GC showing up to bolster his numbers' road, if that is where you intended travelling.

Whatever.  I don't know where I'm coming off as entitled here, and your assertion that I'm an "offline associate" of Mr GC just confirms to me that you're not capable of rational though.  :idunno:

StormBringer

Quote from: Internet Death;593513Bad shit happens if you don't create an investigator who is capable of handling the events of the game.
Investigators who take 'Craft' are pretty much gimps, in other words.
If you read the above post, you owe me $20 for tutoring fees

\'Let them call me rebel, and welcome, I have no concern for it, but I should suffer the misery of devils, were I to make a whore of my soul.\'
- Thomas Paine
\'Everything doesn\'t need

Internet Death

Quote from: StormBringer;593515Investigators who take 'Craft' are pretty much gimps, in other words.

Except Craft can actually be useful in ToC, depending on how good of a player you are.

StormBringer

Quote from: Internet Death;593514Whatever.  I don't know where I'm coming off as entitled here, and your assertion that I'm an "offline associate" of Mr GC just confirms to me that you're not capable of rational though.  :idunno:
It is soooooo weird how that is exactly what I have been accused of by MR Gc and his cohort.  Just an amazing co-incidence that someone who is completely new to the board and obviously not in any way associated with Mr GC spontaneously brings something like that up when it's not even remotely related to the previous comment!
If you read the above post, you owe me $20 for tutoring fees

\'Let them call me rebel, and welcome, I have no concern for it, but I should suffer the misery of devils, were I to make a whore of my soul.\'
- Thomas Paine
\'Everything doesn\'t need

Internet Death

Quote from: StormBringer;593518It is soooooo weird how that is exactly what I have been accused of by MR Gc and his cohort.  Just an amazing co-incidence that someone who is completely new to the board and obviously not in any way associated with Mr GC spontaneously brings something like that up when it's not even remotely related to the previous comment!

Maybe you're being accused of such things because they are readily apparent in your posts.  Just a thought.

StormBringer

Quote from: Internet Death;593520Maybe you're being accused of such things because they are readily apparent in your posts.  Just a thought.
Well, that has to be it, because the post you were responding to was entirely about rational thought.  There was a very carefully argued and solidly supported set of premises behind what I was saying, so of course you would automatically view that as a 'rational thought'.
If you read the above post, you owe me $20 for tutoring fees

\'Let them call me rebel, and welcome, I have no concern for it, but I should suffer the misery of devils, were I to make a whore of my soul.\'
- Thomas Paine
\'Everything doesn\'t need

Bedrockbrendan

Quote from: Internet Death;593513MTP? Don't know what that means.

Also, ToC is not a basket-weaving game.  There is a clear-cut definition of success in the game, which is solving the mystery presented in the scenario by using your investigative abilities and piecing together the clues you gather.  Failure means not being able to deduce what is really happening, therefore not having the ability to thwart whatever is going to occur.  Bad shit happens if you don't create an investigator who is capable of handling the events of the game.

And don't tell me that characters die too often in ToC.  Most of the time you only die if you fuck up, i.e. attack a Mi-Go with a switchblade or barge into a cult temple alone and without a plan.

I am not suggesting that Trail of Cthulu is a basketweaving or MTP (magic tea party) game, only that it is a virtual certainty Mr GC will dislike on those grounds. This is not a commentary on the gumshoe system at all (i happen to think it is a well designed game, even if it isn't my prefered approach to investigations, i get why a lot of people like it).

Imperator

Quote from: Internet Death;593488Also, you're being a little disingenuous here.  It is common knowledge in this hobby that tabletop games are very niche, and that the only games with any notable market share are DnD/Pathfinder.  Maybe Call of Cthulhu, but that's pushing it.
You are dead wrong on this, mate. The gaming hobby is far more varied than you imagine, mate.

QuoteJust because dude only plays 3.5 doesn't mean he's not qualified to discuss 3.5.
As Lord Mistborn did, this guy hasn't come here to talk 3.5, but to school everyon on game design, without having any demonstrable experience playing other than, at most, 3.5. That is ridiculous.  Specially when he is not even capable of showing the goodness of 3.5 without making the game look like a total pile of shit, broken from beginning to end.

The few times he has mentioned other games than 3.5 he has got everything wrong. Everything. That is why his pretense of being a "great player" and being able to school everyone here on RPGs is hilarious.

QuoteI play games that aren't DnD, but I'm not going to try and act like that matters.
You are really wrong then. Do you attend cons regularly?
My name is Ramón Nogueras. Running now Vampire: the Masquerade (Giovanni Chronicles IV for just 3 players), and itching to resume my Call of Cthulhu campaign (The Sense of the Sleight-of-Hand Man).

Mr. GC

Quote from: Internet Death;593488Ok, first, I think you're getting a little too emotional about this.  Simmer down.

Stop. Right there.

1: Don't feed the trolls. Stormbringer is incapable of doing anything but whining constantly and contributing absolutely nothing of value to any discussion. He has near 9k posts to this effect.
2: Basket weavers are overly emotional to make up for their lack of logic, reason, and deductive abilities. If it were as simple as asking him to be a worthwhile person and player this would not be a problem.
3: Basket weavers are terrible people. There are only two valid responses - ignore them entirely, and use them as tools for your amusement. Stormbringer is not especially funny, even when he fucks up and making him Duck Season himself derails the thread, so just go with ignoring him.

QuoteI play games that aren't DnD, but I'm not going to try and act like that matters.  I also am currently playing AD&D 1E (sort of).  I'm relatively new to this hobby, and if someone with more experience has different views than me, I will perk up my ears to listen.  GC seems like a reasonably intelligent guy with a firm grasp on logic and reason, so why not try to learn something from him rather than shitting all over everything he says.

He is incapable of learning, but good thoughts. This man gets it.

QuoteSeriously, just put aside you're emotions and be objective about all of this.  Shit, roll up some characters and play the scenario.  Then continue the discussion based on the outcome.  This is how results are achieved.

They fear results. He knows his gimps would get slaughtered, proving me right, and that he wouldn't be able to hide behind his basket weaver bullshit.

Quote from: Internet Death;593514Whatever.  I don't know where I'm coming off as entitled here, and your assertion that I'm an "offline associate" of Mr GC just confirms to me that you're not capable of rational though.  :idunno:

Good, now that you get that ignore him and move on.

My actual "offline associates" would have a field day beating these basket weaver bitches into the ground. However, I am more than capable of soloing them, so there is simply no need to start such a team vs team conflict.

So anyways.

That Guy, still working on that party?

Internet Death, how about you? You want to run through the scenario? If so, with what?
Quote from: The sound of Sacro getting SaccedA weapon with a special ability must have at least a +1 enhancement bonus.

Quote from: JRR;593157No, but it is a game with rules.  If the results of the dice are not to be accepted, why bother rolling the dice.  So you can accept the good rolls and ignore the bad?  Yeah, let\'s give everyone a trophy.

Quote from: The best quote of all time!Honestly. Go. Play. A. Larp. For. A. While.

Eventually you will realise you were a retard and sucked until you did.

Sommerjon

Quote from: Mr. GC;593637My actual "offline associates" would have a field day beating these basket weaver bitches into the ground. However, I am more than capable of soloing them, so there is simply no need to start such a team vs team conflict.

So anyways.

Ever thought that not everyone will 'engage the RPG hobby' the way you do?  I notice that the people who are not in lock step with you get labeled.
Quote from: One Horse TownFrankly, who gives a fuck. :idunno:

Quote from: Exploderwizard;789217Being offered only a single loot poor option for adventure is a railroad

Internet Death

Quote from: Mr. GC;593637Internet Death, how about you? You want to run through the scenario? If so, with what?

I've been scouring the web for resources on how to create an effective 3.5 character.  Apparently, I would need at least the core books, the Tome of Battle, the Arms and Equipment Guide, the Spell Compendium and possibly the Tome of Magic.  That's a lot of books, and most of them are out of print.

So...as much as I'd like to try it, I think someone with more knowledge needs to step in.  Based on the trajectory of this thread, that seems unlikely.  But I really hope someone does.

Mr. GC

Quote from: Internet Death;593739I've been scouring the web for resources on how to create an effective 3.5 character.  Apparently, I would need at least the core books, the Tome of Battle, the Arms and Equipment Guide, the Spell Compendium and possibly the Tome of Magic.  That's a lot of books, and most of them are out of print.

So...as much as I'd like to try it, I think someone with more knowledge needs to step in.  Based on the trajectory of this thread, that seems unlikely.  But I really hope someone does.

They didn't mention the Completes and PHB2? Either they're slacking, or they didn't understand the question. Especially if they mentioned Tome of Battle (none of those classes are on the allowed list) and Tome of Magic (again, none on the allowed list... and two out of three are also horrifically weak).

But yeah, I see your point. Making weak classes even remotely usable requires having access to at least all the major 3.5 books, if not all of them.
Quote from: The sound of Sacro getting SaccedA weapon with a special ability must have at least a +1 enhancement bonus.

Quote from: JRR;593157No, but it is a game with rules.  If the results of the dice are not to be accepted, why bother rolling the dice.  So you can accept the good rolls and ignore the bad?  Yeah, let\'s give everyone a trophy.

Quote from: The best quote of all time!Honestly. Go. Play. A. Larp. For. A. While.

Eventually you will realise you were a retard and sucked until you did.

Internet Death

Quote from: Mr. GC;593815They didn't mention the Completes and PHB2? Either they're slacking, or they didn't understand the question. Especially if they mentioned Tome of Battle (none of those classes are on the allowed list) and Tome of Magic (again, none on the allowed list... and two out of three are also horrifically weak).

But yeah, I see your point. Making weak classes even remotely usable requires having access to at least all the major 3.5 books, if not all of them.

Actually, the Complete books were mentioned, but I wasn't aware there was a PHB Part 2.

I did learn some amusing things about the Tome of Magic and how two of its classes, the Shadow-something and the Truenamer are laughably bad.  

I'm curious, which classes are actually considered good?  Just the wizard, cleric, and druid?  And doesn't that lead to games ending up real samey in the end?

Mr. GC

Quote from: Internet Death;593818Actually, the Complete books were mentioned, but I wasn't aware there was a PHB Part 2.

I did learn some amusing things about the Tome of Magic and how two of its classes, the Shadow-something and the Truenamer are laughably bad.  

I'm curious, which classes are actually considered good?  Just the wizard, cleric, and druid?  And doesn't that lead to games ending up real samey in the end?

Classes that would easily faceroll this scenario, even at a disadvantage (say, soloing content meant for a party):

Bard, Beguiler, Binder(?), Cleric, Druid, Psion, Sorcerer, Wizard. (possibly others, I'll explain why later)

In general, all of the above + all the ToB classes and a few others I don't remember. It's about 20 classes in total... so no, not really. If anything a game like this (weak classes only) ends up real samey for reasons I will also explain after the experiment has concluded.
Quote from: The sound of Sacro getting SaccedA weapon with a special ability must have at least a +1 enhancement bonus.

Quote from: JRR;593157No, but it is a game with rules.  If the results of the dice are not to be accepted, why bother rolling the dice.  So you can accept the good rolls and ignore the bad?  Yeah, let\'s give everyone a trophy.

Quote from: The best quote of all time!Honestly. Go. Play. A. Larp. For. A. While.

Eventually you will realise you were a retard and sucked until you did.

This Guy

Update:

Regrettably, I'm going to have to withdraw GC.  The amount of work I'd have to do in catching up to my old understanding of 3.5, let alone exceeding it in an effort to make an effective four-party build, is beyond my personal time constraints.

I think my party likely would have lost this challenge, but I'm sorry I won't be able to give it a crack anyhow.

My apologies, and I do wish you luck in finding a participant.
I don\'t want to play with you.