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Regarding Ryan Dancey's Claims About Story and RPGs

Started by RPGPundit, October 17, 2007, 11:56:22 AM

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Settembrini

Technically.

But Ryan is supposed to be business savvy. He oughta know this place ain´t gonna make him any money, no?
If there can\'t be a TPK against the will of the players it\'s not an RPG.- Pierce Inverarity

Pierce Inverarity

It doesn't matter. The "meatspace is no longer a criterion" thing will ensure the final product will not only be derivative but plain old nuts.

Forge plus WoW = Comedy Goldmine :crazy:
Ich habe mir schon sehr lange keine Gedanken mehr über Bleistifte gemacht.--Settembrini

Settembrini

If there can\'t be a TPK against the will of the players it\'s not an RPG.- Pierce Inverarity

Pierce Inverarity

Delete what? You? Me? This thread? Your post? If so, why post it?

I smell inebriation.
Ich habe mir schon sehr lange keine Gedanken mehr über Bleistifte gemacht.--Settembrini

Tim

Quote from: SettembriniTechnically.

But Ryan is supposed to be business savvy. He oughta know this place ain´t gonna make him any money, no?

Not everyone here is a luddite.
 

Settembrini

EDIT: Re, pierce
No, tat all!

I just had some snappy things to say, that actually need not to be said.

BTW: Tommorrow is a working day for me (as was today), so drop your conjectures.

EDIT: Luddite is such a tasteless thing to bring into the discussion, I assume you are American?

DOUBLEEDIT: I apologize to all tasteful Americans. That is: Rotwang and Jeff Rients on these boards. And for the whole country: Stephen Colbert & Toby Keith.
If there can\'t be a TPK against the will of the players it\'s not an RPG.- Pierce Inverarity

Tim

Quote from: SettembriniEDIT: Luddite is such a tasteless thing to bring into the discussion, I assume you are American?

Yes. Could I have ice in my cola this time, please?
 

Settembrini

There´s another American with taste: Weird Al.
If there can\'t be a TPK against the will of the players it\'s not an RPG.- Pierce Inverarity

Settembrini

Quote from: TimYes. Could I have ice in my cola this time, please?


What for?
To be able to indulge chlorine instead of Coke?
If there can\'t be a TPK against the will of the players it\'s not an RPG.- Pierce Inverarity

Settembrini

I love the USA, don´t get me wrong.

But calling ME a Luddite is basically moronic-sophomoric-insultonic bullshit.
If there can\'t be a TPK against the will of the players it\'s not an RPG.- Pierce Inverarity

arminius

Quote from: SettembriniTechnically.

But Ryan is supposed to be business savvy. He oughta know this place ain´t gonna make him any money, no?
For the record, from what I've heard so far, I think his product is going to be less usable, inherently, than any of the Forge games. As PI implies, mixing D20 with with all those storytelling mechanics is most likely to yield incoherence--by any definition.

It's also going to be relatively unattractive to trad gamers, as most of the commenters here have pointed out in one way or another.

But--by tying the ideas to D&D, he instantly gains a big marketing advantage. Result is: you get people to buy the stuff, and some of them actually get it to work even though by most measures it resembles modding an electric egg beater to serve as an outboard boat motor.

And that's the same reason Ryan's posting here, I'd guess. Aside from what I'm willing to believe is a genuine and laudable interest in hearing from some very tough critics, he gets free publicity, clickthroughs to his blog, etc.

Tim

Quote from: SettembriniBut calling ME a Luddite is basically moronic-sophomoric-insultonic bullshit.

I'm going to refrain from quoting Shakespeare at you, Settembrini, so that I don't further assist you in derailing an interesting thread.
 

Settembrini

QuoteBut--by tying the ideas to D&D, he instantly gains a big marketing advantage. Result is: you get people to buy the stuff, and some of them actually get it to work even though by most measures it resembles modding an electric egg beater to serve as an outboard boat motor.

And that's the same reason Ryan's posting here, I'd guess. Aside from what I'm willing to believe is a genuine and laudable interest in hearing from some very tough critics, he gets free publicity, clickthroughs to his blog, etc.

Maybe EnWorld is the place to go for that. They have mods who´d protect him, and they have fanboiz, who´d do so, too.
They also have bigger volume.

If Ryan makes money out of his rediscovery of regular roleplaying, out of his personal rediscovery of the holy triple of

context-consensus-consequences,I´ll applaud him for his marketing genius.

It´ll basically be like selling bottled "water of motivation".
If there can\'t be a TPK against the will of the players it\'s not an RPG.- Pierce Inverarity

Settembrini

Quote from: TimI'm going to refrain from quoting Shakespeare at you, Settembrini, so that I don't further assist you in derailing an interesting thread.
As you might well anticipate of being from non-Anglophonia: I´ve only read my puny share of three Shakespeare-plays. How many pieces of Schiller, or Thomas Mann novels have YOU read?

And honestly, citing Shakespeare (or anyone else except me) doesn´t make your arguments more profound. It just shows your lack of creativity and intelligence.
If there can\'t be a TPK against the will of the players it\'s not an RPG.- Pierce Inverarity

Tim

Quote from: SettembriniAs you might well anticipate of being from non-Anglophonia: I´ve only read my puny share of three Shakespeare-plays. How many pieces of Schiller, or Thomas Mann novels have YOU read?

And honestly, citing Shakespeare (or anyone else except me) doesn´t make your arguments more profound. It just shows your lack of creativity and intelligence.

Jesus H. Christ! You really wear your insecurities on your sleeve, Sett.