Quote from: hamstertamer;679350Free attacks (or attacks of Opportunity) are in AD&D.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;679351It was more of "the target you're in melee with is leaving the area" and less of "anything moving into or out of a 5' radius (10' with longer weapon) prompts yada yada yada."  I.e., not really grid dependant.

YMMV of course.

Free attacks but not AOO.

Quote from: Exploderwizard;679353Free attacks but not AOO.

Same thing. When I picked up 3.0 books i saw the continuation of the idea from AD&D to 2nd AD&D to 3rd.

Quote from: hamstertamer;679404Same thing. When I picked up 3.0 books i saw the continuation of the idea from AD&D to 2nd AD&D to 3rd.

Not quite.

In AD&D you may attack an opponent attempting to disengage from melee.


In 3E, you make an OA against someone who moves more than 5' and leaves a threatened square. That target may very well still be in melee combat with you!

3E lends itself to far more fiddly square counting BS.

Quote from: Exploderwizard;679450Not quite.

In AD&D you may attack an opponent attempting to disengage from melee.


In 3E, you make an OA against someone who moves more than 5' and leaves a threatened square. That target may very well still be in melee combat with you!

3E lends itself to far more fiddly square counting BS.

Yeah.  In AD&D, it was what?  roughly one paragraph?  In 3e, it was an entire page, including a half page photo diagram of how it works.

Quote from: hamstertamer;679322We used to play a mix of minis and "theater of the mind" with AD&D, so I don't think that AD&D ever established just a "theater of the mind" playstyle.  We typical played with minis (if the the players and DM actually had them) if it was a complicated battle usually with a lot of enemies.

*shrug*

I said my roots, not the roots.

When I learned AD&D it was from picking up a DMG because someone had introduced me to the concept of RPG's through another system. The cover looked cool. I taught myself and only ever played with people who had never played before until I was about sixteen. So I was the one teaching others, not the other way around.

So the concept of minis to me was anathema to gaming at all. It was all theatre of the mind stuff. It wasn't until much later that I got into minis because I was tired of using dice and bits of fluff and cheetos to argue things with players about locations of their characters and enemies and terrain.

As I said, I'm actually a big fan of minis and 4e (I think with a few basic math tweaks, it's the best system WotC has ever developed and I think it's a crying shame that people have hated on it so much that I can't even find players for it) is fairly reliant on them. I just wanted to try something different and as it's a playtest, wanted to use the opportunity to get some nostalgia time in.

My players are three younger people who are all Pathfinder enthusiasts as that's what they've started with (and I despise 3x/Pathfucker). The two older people are my best friend who had the same experiences as me with gaming (mostly because most of our gaming we've done together), and the other person was like people here who used minis (or chits) from the very start of their Basic days.

They all like the grid and minis.