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Levi's Heresy

Started by flyingmice, April 11, 2008, 12:04:47 AM

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James J Skach

#60
April 11, 2008, 03:35:11 PM
Quote from: DwightGiven that it doesn't speak in any "optional" voice (which is IMO a pretty useless differentiator between 'rules' and 'not rules' anyway...there isn't such thing as 'rules' that are optional???) and it clearly outlines very specific steps in the process of playing, that by it's own text it says are "critically important", thinking of that as being outside the rules is....well it really underlines of useless, if not counterproductive, dividing up things that way is.
Now there is a semantic debate not worth having...
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Dwight

#61
April 11, 2008, 03:40:48 PM
Quote from: James J SkachNow there is a semantic debate not worth having...
Yeah, that's a big portion of why I didn't bother to reply to post #12 the first time around. :o I wasn't interested in 'debate' of it.  But there it is, someone dividing that up from the rules (and therefore 'mechanics'?) when it is crystal clear they are key steps that the author expects players to follow in the process of playing.

If being key parts of the process doesn't get you the rules tag? That's no tag I'm interested in.
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James J Skach

#62
April 11, 2008, 03:43:52 PM
Quote from: DwightYeah, that's a big portion of why I didn't bother to reply to post #12 the first time around. :o I wasn't interested in 'debate' of it.  But there it is, someone dividing that up from the rules (and therefore 'mechanics'?) when it is crystal clear they are key steps that the author expects players to follow in the process of playing.

If being key parts of the process doesn't get you the rules tag? That's no tag I'm interested in.
Apparently you and I have a lot of trouble communicating - or at least when trying to be sarcastic (caustic even!).

My point, for clarification, is that I would stipulate that you think these things should be tagged as rules. Fine. The question is, and it's a bit OT for this thread, now anyway, is if you think there are ever things in the book that aren't rules.

If not, then we will probably never come to agreement on what constitutes a "rule". Happens.
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Dwight

#63
April 11, 2008, 04:02:06 PM
Repeat, I'm not interested. :D  Catch you in another thread.
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Caesar Slaad

#64
April 11, 2008, 04:26:25 PM
Well, so much for that.
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James J Skach

#65
April 11, 2008, 04:44:48 PM
Quote from: Caesar SlaadWell, so much for that.
FWIW, CS, I agree with you. It's why I didn't push much back on it - I was waiting for someone who disagrees to do so.

Look at it this way - your argument was so good as to scare away the opposition! :D
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arminius

#66
April 11, 2008, 08:46:35 PM
Quote from: James J SkachIt might be common in a specific circle of people who have agree to define it as such. But when you walk out of that circle, you can't expect that everyone will agree. If you still want to discuss that cool thing that you want to address at the point between A and B, you need to explain it as such - not as "system". If you don't, then you end up in the semantic debate - which, at that point, is not stupid, but perfectly legitimate and should be expected.
Precisely, and this is the subject, largely, of my latest LJ entry.

Dwight

#67
April 12, 2008, 10:11:01 AM
Quote from: Caesar SlaadWell, so much for that.
Given it's void of utility? Yeah.
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Caesar Slaad

#68
April 12, 2008, 10:30:30 AM
Quote from: DwightGiven it's void of utility? Yeah.

Given your continual stream of thread diarrhea, yeah.
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Dwight

#69
April 12, 2008, 10:43:00 AM
Quote from: Caesar SlaadGiven your continual stream of thread diarrhea, yeah.
I was talking about the division. But sure, whatever you like. Have fun! :p
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Caesar Slaad

#70
April 12, 2008, 10:45:15 AM
Quote from: DwightI was talking about the division. But sure, whatever you like. Have fun! :p

You already said you weren't interested in this thread, why are you still posting in it?
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