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Is Charisma a realistic stat?

Started by Catelf, October 06, 2014, 01:34:56 PM

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Catelf

October 06, 2014, 01:34:56 PM Last Edit: October 06, 2014, 01:39:46 PM by Catelf
I just listened at a documentary on the radio.
Someone checked out how others reacted towards him depending on how he was dressed.
Dressed, just that.

People reacted very different depending on if he were a costume or a hoddie.

This made me wonder if "Charisma" really is important for rpgs, as it easily may be trumped by clothing.
I may not dislike D&D any longer, but I still dislike the Chaos-Lawful/Evil-Good alignment system, as well as the level system.
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dragoner

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October 06, 2014, 02:20:14 PM
Maybe charisma could predict how you would dress.
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Catelf

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October 06, 2014, 02:50:08 PM
Quote from: dragoner;790546Maybe charisma could predict how you would dress.

Considering that one would be able to change the Charisma stat by consciously changing clothes then, I doubt it would a good idea.
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AmazingOnionMan

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October 06, 2014, 03:22:04 PM
His dress would effect his appearance, attractiveness and first impression, not his charisma and innate ability/inability to relate to other human beings.

dragoner

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October 06, 2014, 03:31:22 PM
Quote from: Catelf;790556Considering that one would be able to change the Charisma stat by consciously changing clothes then, I doubt it would a good idea.

You wouldn't change it though, it would be your general manner of dress; you aren't going from bespoke to rags in real life.
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Bedrockbrendan

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October 06, 2014, 03:35:41 PM
Quote from: Catelf;790530I just listened at a documentary on the radio.
Someone checked out how others reacted towards him depending on how he was dressed.
Dressed, just that.

People reacted very different depending on if he were a costume or a hoddie.

This made me wonder if "Charisma" really is important for rpgs, as it easily may be trumped by clothing.

I think charisma is something worth having an attribute before. It isn't like D&D invented the idea. People have spoken of charisma for some time. It is also something you generally get a sense for with people. Some folks just have this ability to to be charming and likable and others don't have as much of it. There are some who are just good at inspiring confidence and admiration in others.

Bedrockbrendan

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October 06, 2014, 03:37:24 PM
Quote from: Catelf;790556Considering that one would be able to change the Charisma stat by consciously changing clothes then, I doubt it would a good idea.

I think the best usage of this is that clothes would modify charisma. Though you don't want a static number because something like a hoodie would change depending on context. In some situations it would add to your Charisma, in others it would detract.

S'mon

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October 06, 2014, 04:03:04 PM
Charisma is (mostly) what happens after you open your mouth.

I'll let appropriate or bad dress affect Cha-related checks, as a situational modifier. But (eg) London Mayor Boris Johnson is always going to have high Cha, whether dressed in a morning suit or a rubber chicken costume.
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Catelf

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October 06, 2014, 04:04:03 PM
Quote from: dragoner;790564You wouldn't change it though, it would be your general manner of dress; you aren't going from bespoke to rags in real life.

And "dressing down", then?
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Catelf

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October 06, 2014, 04:15:07 PM Last Edit: October 19, 2014, 06:30:54 AM by Catelf
Quote from: S'mon;790571Charisma is (mostly) what happens after you open your mouth.

I'll let appropriate or bad dress affect Cha-related checks, as a situational modifier. But (eg) London Mayor Boris Johnson is always going to have high Cha, whether dressed in a morning suit or a rubber chicken costume.

The situation was indeed when the tester asked if he may borrow the other one's mobile phone.
If he wore [strike]costume[/strike]suit, he was ok'd, but if he wore a hoodie, he was not.
I may not dislike D&D any longer, but I still dislike the Chaos-Lawful/Evil-Good alignment system, as well as the level system.
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Justin Alexander

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October 06, 2014, 04:16:03 PM
Is Strength a realistic stat? I just listened to a documentary demonstrating that you can do a lot more damage by swinging a sword than you can by swinging a stick of butter.

Is Dexterity a realistic stat? I just listened to a documentary that claimed people are better at picking locks if they have a lock pick. People trying to pick a lock with a fileted herring had considerably less success.

And so forth.
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Skyrock

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October 06, 2014, 04:23:49 PM
Dressing plays a role, but some people still got it and some people don't. Frank Sinatra and John F. Kennedy on one hand and Alan Greenspan and Bill Gates on the other hand may all have worn expensive custom-tailored suits, but they definitively didn't have the same amount of Charisma.

For a different example, look at Madonna when she was young and hot. Most people get laughed at when they wear torn stocking. When someone like Madonna wears torn stockings, it becomes a fashion trend everyone tries to copy.
Young Madonna's sense of fashion is 18+ Charisma - not mere equipment - at work.
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October 06, 2014, 04:41:43 PM
Quote from: BedrockBrendan;790565I think charisma is something worth having an attribute before. It isn't like D&D invented the idea. People have spoken of charisma for some time. It is also something you generally get a sense for with people. Some folks just have this ability to to be charming and likable and others don't have as much of it. There are some who are just good at inspiring confidence and admiration in others.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;790566I think the best usage of this is that clothes would modify charisma. Though you don't want a static number because something like a hoodie would change depending on context. In some situations it would add to your Charisma, in others it would detract.

As I am making my own rpg, and is inspired by WW's Storytelling system, I could possibly use "beauty" instead of charisma.
I may not dislike D&D any longer, but I still dislike the Chaos-Lawful/Evil-Good alignment system, as well as the level system.
;)
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S'mon

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October 06, 2014, 05:42:56 PM
Quote from: Catelf;790573The situation was indeed when the tester asked if he may borrow the other one's mobile phone.
If he wore costume, he was ok'd, but if he wore a hoodie, he was not.

Well, if I had a young & attractive wife, I wouldn't let Boris borrow her, no matter how charming he was. I'd still be wowed by his Cha though. :D

I don't think the "Hoodie... hm, might steal my phone" reaction says anything about Charisma as a stat.
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Bedrockbrendan

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October 06, 2014, 08:50:04 PM
Quote from: Catelf;790586As I am making my own rpg, and is inspired by WW's Storytelling system, I could possibly use "beauty" instead of charisma.

You can do what you wish, but charisma and beauty are not the same thing. Certainly beauty can be part of it but ugly charismatic people exist and beautiful un-charismatic people exist.
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